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As a rider, do you like to have your tucked behind for balance or do you like to have them hang loose. As a carrier do you like your rider's legs wrapped around or hanging loose?
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I like the legs of rider wrappd around
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When I was doing my most riding, I always wrapped my legs around the back. This helped me keep balance and shifted my weight from the carrier's neck to his shoulders, both of which made for a longer ride. When I'm doing the carrying (I've only carried women), I usually request the same position. From my experience, the girls who have told me they were too scared to climb on didn't realize that there's a stable and secure way to do it.
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i like my legs in front while riding.
i think it provides more comfortable sitting when i make the carrier to look downwards.
for balance i rely on carrier holding my legs with her hands.
also personally i feel it more dominant way of riding as the carrier has to take care of my legs too which is completely over her.
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I love both the ways..
Initailly I wrapp my legs around..
And the later my legs dangling down..
So my weight shifts to my ponies neck..
And he has to strain under me..
It feels great as his neck act as a saddle between my legs.
I can control him by holding his hair..
And finally he has to bend forward and i slip down from his neck over his head.
It really feels great
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It really depends on who is beneath me, what I'm wearing and why I'm sitting on his shoulders. If it's something simple like a boost up to change a ceiling light and I might not be confident in my carrier 's strength, I will sit with my feet tucked behind him. This is especially true if I need to use both hands and can't hold onto his hair or head.
If I'm riding for any long period of time and I have control of my carrier, I want to make him keep his head down so I can sit with my bottom supported and I can relax my legs. In a few cases I found it very comfortable to have my carrier hold my feet , rather lie his hands were stirrups with my legs relaxed .
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Audreyb wrote:
It really depends on who is beneath me, what I'm wearing and why I'm sitting on his shoulders. If it's something simple like a boost up to change a ceiling light and I might not be confident in my carrier 's strength, I will sit with my feet tucked behind him. This is especially true if I need to use both hands and can't hold onto his hair or head.
If I'm riding for any long period of time and I have control of my carrier, I want to make him keep his head down so I can sit with my bottom supported and I can relax my legs. In a few cases I found it very comfortable to have my carrier hold my feet , rather lie his hands were stirrups with my legs relaxed .
To Dear Miss Audreyb:
I watched all your post,you looks have so many experiences,and you are a pretty excellent rider.I saw you living in USA,I living in west coast of Canada,I pretty want to carry you,pretty want you sit on my shoulder.I pretty want to get a chance to do that ,If you can be my rider?I am pleasure to be your carrier,and pleasure to lift you up.looking forward your reply
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@Audreyb - I am a huge proponent of the carrier's hands serving as stirrups for the Rider, so I am glad you approve! Whenever I try it, my Riders say it makes them feel very comfortable and supported.
I think it's also a very symbolic position - my hands underneath the soles of your feet - proving the complete dedication of the carrier's body to the Rider's comfort. Have you thought of that aspect, and do you enjoy it?
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brad's shoulders:
I never really considered the symbolism of my feet on his hands. It was just comfortable and I found it convenient for adjusting myself on his shoulders. Since I believe that the rider should be in control of the carrier, as I have expressed several times, I see the hands as stirrup aspect as just another part of the full service in the equestrian experience.
I see the rider and carrier relationship to be this way for all riders and carriers, not just myself.
The rider must be superior to the carrier just as their respective positions implies regardless of gender or other aspects of he relationship between those involved.
This is only my opinion of course but I have found that others who engage in shoulder riding and other forms of riding tend to take a similar attitude if they engage in the activity rather often.
Having someone bear your weight and carry you, or even simply sitting on that person implies and may ultimately instill a sense of superiority and perhaps even ownership of the person beneath.
I see this as a natural evolution of such a relationship and I'm sure there are exceptions.
I know their are carriers who are the instigators of the activity and quite enthusiastic in their role for whatever variety of reasons they might have. However , ultimately the riders who perhaps simply indulged the desires of the carrier in the beginning will take charge to some degree and may become dominant and demanding. This may extend into the other aspects of their relationship over time.
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@Audreyb
So you means you always let your carrier hold your feet,when you doing shoulder ride?And you hand hold onto his hair?
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Audreyb,
I believe it's quite natural for a Rider to feel in charge when sitting astride a compliant and eager carrier.
Placing my hands under your feet as stirrups is definitely part of my service to you. And other examples abound, including being willing to bend my head forward to offer you a more comfortable seat, as well as working hard at your orders way beyond tiredness.
The interesting fact that I have noticed - with several of my Riders - is that they gradually become more confident and demanding. Even one who used to simply enjoy the ride - without any dominant attitude - one day ended up telling me: "I am not getting off until we reach the top" (as I was struggling to carry her on a steep uphill section, after over 20 minutes of non-stop shoulder riding...)
I wonder if you have ever felt the same way with a regular carrier. Did you become more dominant with each ride?
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kimshot wrote:
As a rider, do you like to have your tucked behind for balance or do you like to have them hang loose. As a carrier do you like your rider's legs wrapped around or hanging loose?
If the person carrying me is walking somewhat slowly, then I'd prefer to have my legs are dangling loosely in front.
However, if I'm being carried briskly, then I'd rather secure my feet behind the carrier's back.
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brad's shoulders:
I'm naturally assertive even when someone is performing a service to me, whatever the service is.
In a shoulder riding situation, I may feel some urgency to take control and direct the actions of the person beneath me since I have no control over where he might take me.
On a few occasions when I was in my teens, a guy attempted to show off, running in the sand while keeping me on his shoulders etc. So I instinctively want to take control as soon as I'm mounted.
But once I'm sitting up there for a while and have control, I feel a sense of ownership regardless of the circumstance involved in me sitting there. I feel I have a right to be where I am and I should be served even if he no longer wants to serve as my carrier.
Obviously these are just feelings but I tend to empathize with the woman sitting on your shoulders.
I have often felt exactly as she did in her position.
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Audreyb,
I believe your feelings of ownership and control represent exactly what a carrier like me - who loves to please assertive Riders - finds to be the most satisfying attitude.
My ultimate desire is to give up control, becoming a beast-of-burden who works hard beneath a Rider's weight and blindly follows her commands. So there's nothing better than a "sense of entitlement" in the Rider: I want to feel that she's enjoying the hell out of me as her human pony! On the other hand, a Rider who was constantly worried about my well-being would get me "out of the zone".
Here's what I always tell my Riders: "Let's keep things safe at all times. Other than that, please use me to your heart's content and don't worry about me. I'm at your service."
Is that the type of attitude you appreciate in those who serve as your carriers?
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brad's shoulders:
To be perfectly honest I tend to be indifferent to the attitude or desires of a carrier.
Obviously I want him to submit to my(the rider's) authority from the start of the ride and I don't want him balking from the moment I sit on him,
But I have learned that when I'm on top of him, I enjoy the experience if I make it all about me.
The experience for both the rider and the carrier are things I believe to be based on each person's views and motives for participating in the activity. For example, as long as the carrier performs as I want him to, I couldn't care less if being beneath me and bearing my weight was exciting for him or very unpleasant for him. Since I can't ride on the shoulders of someone who chooses not to carry me, the carrier is beneath me because of his own motives and self interests.
As such, I am equally free to follow my own desires selfishly as well.
Since it's not a business arrangement I don't owe my carrier anything and while I may feel some empathy for his burden or possible suffering, I also know he chose his position just as I chose mine.
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Audrey!
I cant express how much I share your logical thoughts about the motives of both rides and carriers! If only every woman would have that thought! Unfortunately a lot of women are preoccupied and worried to hurt their carriers, spent too much time thinking about the carriers feelings when riding him etc.
In fact, like you said, all they ever want to think about when riding is about their own comfort, enjoyment and interests because their carrier is beneath them because of his own self interests too. Beautiful. And so simple!
Maybe you should start giving riding lessons (for those interested)
Alex
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Alex:
Women are taught to be nice ,sometimes at the expense of their own enjoyment. Thanks to my mother, I wasn't forced into that conventional mode. I have a friend that I've mentioned that I had to almost literally drag out of that mode of thinking after she suffered for years in an abusive marriage.
Because of her weight, she is still afraid of shoulder riding, but thankfully she is no longer concerned about a man's ability to lift her and has learned to enjoy sitting and riding on the back of one of her admirers who seems to enjoy indulging her in "pony rides" at her whim.
I had to convince her that a man should be able to bear a woman's weight and that if he is willing to try, she should not be concerned about sitting on him to allow him the opportunity.
I take some credit for brining out this aspect of her personality and she has become quite assertive and demanding in spite of her fear of sitting on a man's shoulders
I don't think women need to be taught to ride as such. I think that most simply require the confidence and assertiveness to put themselves first.
Men willing to carry another person in this manner have their own reasons and its their responsibility to make themselves capable of performing in this manner.
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After all my experiences most girls and young ladies preferred to wrap their legs around me.
The center of gravity was instantly more concentrated in the pelvis and crotch.
So it was easier keeping balance for the rider.
On longer rides the riders used my hands from time to time for relaxation.
But for concentrated rides the riders preferred to wrap their legs around me.
Using my hands as stirrups was preferred by adult ladies.
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As a rider I’ve positioned my legs both ways, but prefer to have them hanging in front. I find that more comfortable and fun too.
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