Ultimate shoulder rides

Dear Audreyb

I completely agree with most of the things you said.
I fail to understand about the chair thing though.
However I do believe that sitting on a horse is morally incorrect and that’s what excites me.
However I think that it is allowable as long as it does not cause any serious physical damage to humans or animals.

I also believe in one more dimension of domination. That is to give responsibility to the mount.
Relax yourself on the mount after assigning the task and it’s his / her responsibility to complete the mission.
It’s like I don’t know how you do it but I trust you and you have to complete the task.
It’s like driving a computerized automatic car in which you can relax after giving instruction.

It doesn’t really mean that you don’t have control.
After all you can stop the car any time you want of increase or decrease its speed anytime anyway you want.
It’s just that the rider here is lazier and that is what a rider really is. Too lazy to walk by himself or herself isn’t it?

I tried both type of rides and concluded that
I enjoy more when I get complete affection and love from my mount who does the extra hard work just for my pleasure with love.
Along with it I love to take her to the limits with her knowing who is in charge. 
I really love the feeling of faithful affection the mount is showing towards me.

Audreyb,

I think we are actually on the same page: "reasonable strain and pain" is what I mentioned the carrier should endure for the rider's satisfaction.

I like demanding riders, not abusive ones. And while I would certainly not complain if my rider sometimes felt like using pain to spur me on, I think a light tap of her feet would work even better: she would prove that she naturally expects my complete dedication and obedience, without any need to forcefully obtain it.

From the carrier's point of view, I think it's all about surrendering control. And yes, once that happens, my rider could well lend me to others and I would obey to make her happy.

May I ask how did you direct your friend's unwilling submissive when you rode him? Verbal commands, light physical contact, or sometimes also a more aggressive approach?

Thanks for sharing your story, Audreyb.

It definitely proves that the rider should always be in charge, no doubt. And while I understand that you became more dominant with your carrier as a consequence of his initial unwillingness, I would argue that - as the rider - you should have the right to do so irrespective of his behavior.

Being in charge, the rider has the power - within reasonable limits - to be more or less demanding without any reason, even just depending on her mood. The carrier gives up control to her, and should expect to be treated as a beast of burden.

Now, here's the real magic in this: not only does the above guarantee a fulfilling experience for the rider. I believe it greatly enhances the experience of any true carrier as well! As soon as I feel her weight on my shoulders, I always hope that my rider will give me the gift of taking full control, letting me literally "switch off the decision-making area of my brain". I will lower my head to provide a more comfortable seat, listen to my breath and to her orders, and focus entirely on her desires. It feels great, and I have always ended up offering longer and more satisfactory rides in this situation, while feeling more relaxed and almost losing track of time (though one of my riders - who is about 130 pounds - timed some of our rides to over 40 minutes no-stop, and over an hour with one or two breaks in the middle...)

At one point I start getting tired and sore, of course. I will occasionally try to push up my neck, and perhaps I will moan a little. But it's completely up to my rider to decide if I deserve a break, or she feels like pushing me harder. And unless I get to a point where I would risk an injury (never happened), I will always obey.

@Audreyb: I hope you will decide to pursue shoulder riding more regularly, because you seem to have the perfect attitude to become a great rider!

@lovetoride: I like very much the concept of the carrier performing his duty "with love", but I am not sold on "giving responsibility to the mount" (for the reasons mentioned above). I'd rather have my rider always in control, as if I was a real horse...

dear  lovetoride:

My reference concerning  the morality of sitting  on  a  chair as an  extrapolation of sitting on  a man  or a  horse was  simply  a matter  of the area of  contact and of course  consent.
Obviously we  couldn't arbitrarily sit down on  random  people. But we sit  on horses and  donkeys  etc. without their consent just as we don't ask  a  chair's permission to sit on it.  But with or without permission the act of sitting on  someone or something is the  same.
For example, you seem  to imply that you enjoy sitting on other people. I  might assume you find it  stimulating  or sexually exciting. But assuming it's consensual, there is nothing  inherently immoral involved in resting your  weight  upon them  or  having  them under your  butt.  It  is simply a matter of  what  you perceive it  to be. When you're sitting on  a chair you don't perceive it  the same way.

My  guess  is that you have a sadistic aspect to your  enjoyment. Please don't take this as  judgmental.
Most people have aspects of sadism  masochism or  both  and often  these traits are  present  in  early childhood  and  long before sexual awareness.  I  used to sit on my little brother rather often and  purely on a whim from the time he was  4 years old  and I  was 6 years old. I was much  bigger than he was and I knew I was  hurting him  and I enjoyed it. We develop  compassion as we mature  but some aspects of  our nature remain .

Dear Audreyb

Thanks for the explanation. I do understand now what you meant.

Yes it is absolutely about how you perceive it.
It’s my perception that makes the difference. It is sexually exiting to me but more than that it is the overall nice feeling that I get before, during and after the same. Yes, like you said, I enjoyed sitting on or riding somebody much before sexual awareness.

Of course there is sadistic aspect to my enjoyment (no need to hesitate to put forward your views). But the intensity is quite low (or you can argue that I like to believe so).  I really don’t like to hurt anybody seriously. Yes I liked riding from my childhood. Unfortunately I didn’t have any girl to play with me but I have ridden my friends both older and younger than me and have sat on them but never gave them one in return.

Your story was really nice. Thanks for sharing it.

Dear lovetoride:

There are  many  forms of  sado-masochist relationships  and only  a very  few  involve extremes of  pain or injury  and the  majority  are  mutually  consensual.  Shoulder riding, pony riding and sitting  on  people  are all part of objectification/forniphilia  and  may involve many different aspects  depending on  the  perception of the people involved.

For example,  when  I  was  riding on the shoulder of that man  during that outing,  I  didn't initially  intend  to cause him any excessive discomfort  but  I  was in  fact  basically indifferent to his discomfort. His  master had ordered him  to let  me sit  on his shoulders  and to carry  me  and that was the task he  accepted  freely  even if  resentfully. Later when it was  clear that he  rebelled  by way of deliberately  making me uncomfortable upon him,  my attitude and perception of him  changed.  He became  an  underling  in  need of  discipline  and  I  decided  to  punish him  with  exactly what he  resented  and  brought on his  passive  rebellion. In  short,  he didn't like  me sitting on  him  so my  sitting on him would be  his  punishment.   Again it was  really  about  my  perception  because had he  been  a  willing  carrier, performing this service  out  of  desire to  please me, I  would of  course still be sitting on his shoulders exactly  as  I  was.  When I  sat on  him again  after the  first rest period, I enjoyed  knowing that his shoulders and  neck  were  still  sore  and  sitting on them  would  add to that discomfort for  him.  This is again   a matter of  my  perception  because  a wiling  carrier would likely be  just as tired and  sore  and I would  be sitting on  the same sore  muscles.

The superior  vs  inferior  position of the  person  sitting on another person isn't  arguable  to my way of thinking. The  person sitting on  another is usually taking  comfort  at the  expense of the discomfort of the  person  the he or she is sitting  upon.  It  may  be stimulating  for either or  both people involved and may be  consensual or not  at all.
As a  young  girl  I  often  sat on  my  father's stomach or  chest  when he was  laying on the sofa  and watched  TV.  I  enjoyed  this  position  and  felt secure and  comfortable, so much so  that if he  had to  get up to use the  bathroom  or leave  briefly for some reason,  I  would  insist on  him laying down again  so I  could  resume sitting on him. When I  was  6 years old  this  wasn't any  problem  for him  but  as I  grew,  I became  more of a burden  and I  often had to insist that he  lay on the sofa . I  loved  my  father of course  but I  felt that his  endurance of my weight  on him  was  a  requirement in  showing his  love  for me.  It was  shortly  before  my 14th  birthday  that  my  mother   asked me  to stop  sitting on my father   that way  because  it was  unladylike at that age. I  accepted my  mother's  view   but  also  resented  it  and even  today I  sometimes wish  I  could sit on  his  chest and watch  a  TV  show with him  again.  my  point  being that  while  my  father  was  objectified  in  that position  and  no  doubt uncomfortable  at  times, it  was  the security and  comfort that I  felt that was  important to me.  In contrast  to that,  when I  sat on my  younger  brother, his  discomfort was very  much  part of  my  enjoyment.  Perception  is  the  deciding  factor.

Trigger:

Doing a  quick  conversion, 105 lbs.   is  about  47.5  Kg . I was going  through my post pubescent   chubby  phase  so that  would be about right.  It was  a rather ordinary position,  such as one would be sitting on a  sofa  except  that  my  father's  chest was  beneath  me.
I wasn't  bullying my  father  and while  my  mother was the main  authority figure in  her house, my father submitted to my whims out of  affection.

I did  bully  my  little brother however  and he was required to  submit  to  me. This wasn't  any  bizarre  slave situation at all.  It was simply the way  my  mother  thought things should be  and whether it  was  a case of  nature or  nurture ,it suited  me perfectly.  I  wasn't suppose to hit  my brother  though I  did  on  occasion  but he was forbidden  to fight  back at all. I  know that  sounds unfair but it's how my  mother  thought things should be  and  it seemed perfectly normal to me. In  fact,  when I was in the  first grade  of school,  a  boy fought back against  me and  I  expected him  to get into  trouble for doing so.

I'm not sure about the last time I rode my  brother  pony back . Perhaps  16 or 17? so he was  14 or 15 years old.   No, I  don't ride or sit on him  now. He has  a  wife for that sort of thing  now.
His wife and I  do  gang up on him when  we're together but  not in  the  physical  sense. We simply  like to embarrass and humiliate him.  It's just fun. I told her about how I kept  him in line  when we were growing up and she  liked the idea.  One  thanksgiving   we had a great deal of fun picking on him with other family members  and friends there. We  were talking  particularly loud and I  mentioned how I used to sit on his head when he annoyed me and she said  I  would have to  show her  how to do that. Others  there laughed  and my  brother's face flushed deep  scarlet.

As a little girl  I  was always trying to  pony ride on my  brother. I  can't even  tell you at what age it started. I think  I  was  about 7 years old  when he was strong enough to support me and crawl  across  the living room. To his credit,  I did of course weight  much more than he did at  that  time.

I  indulged in pony and shoulder riding with  several  BFs  over the years. It was all  casual  and  consensual in  various forms of play. I honestly  can't recall  any BF  that  I  didn't sit on in some  way  other than on his  lap any  very few ever  objected.
My  Ex-husband was undoubtedly the only one who never seemed  to  like it at all. I did of  course  but   that's a very long story  and somewhat off  the  subject here. It would suffice to  say  that while  I  enjoyed sitting on men in  various ways (discounting sexual encounters) I'm  neither embarrassed  or  obsessed with it.   I have  had far to many  men   suggest and request  variation of this activity  in  far  more  intimate and strange ways  to even consider it odd at this  point.
For me  at least,  as I  expressed to  "lovetoride" everything is about the perception of   the people involved.

great ride that was..on your husband.

well tell me more about that have you also ridden your dad like a pony or on his shoulders, other than sitting. ( If you don't mind telling, as its personal stuff , esp dad one..i am asking with respect )

and when you were pony riding your brother, what was the maximum time you have ridden him ? and have you used some equipment's also ? and how often did you rode him ?

And listening your story I feel that from childhood, everyone in your home, would be knowing that you like sitting and riding,
so does you mother have also taken some part in it. ( Again personal stuff, so apologies also, and you can tell if you feel like )

Thanks.

Trigger.

Audreyb wrote:

trigger:

I  don't travel  outside the  U.S.  very  often.  I'm  a  business owner and that takes up  much  more of  my time than I  would like.  I mean  no  offense  when I  say that  I can't imagine traveling anywhere simply to  sit on someone.

I'm sorry your  wife doesn't indulge in  your  desires but I  might  suggest that women  tend to prefer  doing things they think of  themselves and  rather spontaneously.  While  I have of course had requests  from men  to  sit on their heads,  I  can't say that I have ever  found  it comfortable.
Sitting on my brother's head was always  about hurting him  and  showing him  who  was  boss, so to speak.  Just to  clarify the point, when I say  sitting on  someone's head,  I  do not mean  sitting on his face  which is a different  matter.

I  don't tend to over-examine my feelings  on  things that I  enjoy because I  find that   doing so  detracts  from enjoying them  and  I'm  rather  hedonistic by  nature. I  had to  think  back  to  the  example of sitting on my  father so many years ago and  my feeling  to give  the  example of  my attitude and  perception  in  being a  contrast to acts that were  dominant  or  casual.

My ex husband  was  an  odd  case for many reasons. First  because he was not  the  kind of  man  that I  usually found interesting.  He  is  almost a foot taller and projected  a very  masculine image. Rather rough  and unrefined in many ways.   I  only  started  dating him  because  I  felt he was  an interesting  challenge.  If I  were to  relate it to  riding  I  would  have to  say that  it  was rather like the  desire to  break  a  wild horse.  He didn't even  like having women  sit on his  lap  and  had a  dismissive attitude  about women in  general.  Normally  he was  the  kind of  man I  wouldn't even  like to be around ,  but I  was intrigued  with  the  challenge  he  represented.

Getting him interested was  easier than I  imagined but getting him to do  what I  wanted took  several weeks  because I  had to  find   the right way  to use  his ego  against him.

The  first time I rode on his shoulders was while  hiking , one of his favorite   pastimes.  I  pretended to be to tired to  continue   after about two  miles  and I asked him  to carry me.  When he didn't  comply  I  suggested he wasn't  man  enough   and he dropped down on  one  knee almost immediately ,  bowing his head  so I  could  sit  astride his  neck  and on his shoulders.  I then asked him  to carry me up  the  next  hill  to  see what was on the other side  and  he seemed  annoyed  but complied with  my request.  I  knew I  found  his  vulnerability. It was a  rather high  hill and somewhat steep.  He was panting  and I  knew he  wanted me to  dismount  but I  simply  praised his  strength  without  acknowledging  his  fatigue .  I    slowly became  more demanding   while still stroking his  ego  and  I  made  it rather obvious that  I  expected to be carried for the rest of the hike.
I felt  I had to  press the issue  a little  so  I  complained about  him  walking to  fast ,pushing  him  to say something  I  could pretend to be annoyed with  and  gratefully he responded  by  implying  that  I was getting heavy and he wanted to  get back to the car. I pretended that his remark  was that I  was to  fat (I was  about 120 lbs. at that time)  and I started to  argue  with him  and took every word out of  context purposefully. I  reached down  and slapped him, pretending to be angry  and he slapped  my  bottom  in  response.  Then I  crossed  my  ankles and squeezed his neck. My legs are really very strong from dancing  and he tried to  pry them  apart but couldn't because he  was  very tired at that point. I held onto his ears  too  and he became  weaker  as my thighs slowed the  blood  to  his  head. He was down on his  hands and knees with  me sitting on his  back  when I  released  him. 
I  walked that  last  50  yards  to the car  without looking  back. 
A few  minuets  later he arrived  and apologized  to me,  exactly  as I  had  hoped  that he would.
I wasn't sure at that point  if I really had him hooked  , though he apologized several times while taking me  home.  When he called the next day  to  apologize  again, I  knew had  him where I  wanted him  at that point.   He was still  a  challenge of course   and I had to still work on him  but I had  made some progress.

thanks a lot for telling.

so whats your current status now..
do u have a regular carrier. ?

Audreyb wrote:

Trigger.

I should first  say that  my  mother is a  plus sized woman, very much the opposite of my  physically.
She is  5ft 10 in  tall and I  would estimate her weight at  100  kg. I  honestly don't  know exactly.
She was always in  charge  and  to be  perfectly  honest  I grew up thinking that our  home  was typical  of  the way  all  homes were.  I  never  saw  my mother  ride or attempt to  ride  on my  father's back or shoulders.  I  did see  her  pin  my  father down on the floor once  but  I  honestly  have no  idea  how much he  resisted .It was  a serious   confrontation between  them but it was the only  time  I can ever recall even  a  hint of  violence  between  them.  My  father accepted my  mother's authority just as  my  brother and I  did.

I  honestly can't tell you about  the duration of pony rides on my  brother because I  never  considered the time  at all. I can't even  guess at how many times  either  because I  just barely remember  trying  to  sit on  his back  when we  were  both little children  and my  mother  mentioned instances of me doing things to  him that I don't recall  at all.

My father carried me on his shoulder about as often  as  most fathers  carry their daughters  that way.
Usually  to  watch a  parade, at the  beach  and  in   crowded  paces like amusement  parks.
My father used  to  give me  pony rides up to my bedroom quite often, it was a very common  occurrence   and continued for  a while even  after  I  was deprived of sitting on  his chest on the sofa.

As for  my  brother, the only time  I  remember him consenting to being a pony  was  when I  was  riding  him  while  a  friend was  visiting my  house .  My  brother  was  infatuated with  this girl   though  she was  2  years  his senior.  I  was showing off,  demonstrated  that  I  could make my  brother do what  I  wanted him to  and she  laughed  at   the entertainment I  was  providing.
She had  no  interest in my  brother    but  asked  if she could  try  riding him.  My  brother was so infatuated with  this  girl  that he willingly got  down on his hands and knees  just so  she  would  be paying attention to him. She sat on him  sidesaddle at first, giggling  but  without  talking directly to him at all.  I  warned her that she would  fall off if  he  started  crawling    and told  her she should sit astride him.  She did  so  and I told her to  sit  more  forward   and  not  on the small of his back as  she  was  because she  might slid backward when he was crawling.  That  may have been  the longest pony ride for my  brother because he carried her several times around the room  while she  said  Giddy up horsey and  called him  by  his  name once.  He was thrilled  that she was talking  to him  and kept  going in spite of  the  strain  and his heavy  breathing .  When  she had enough  she  got off  and  patted  him on  the head.  He  was  in  love with her for a long time after that.  I  know she  considered it a  joke  and  wouldn't  normally  pay attention to my  brother at all  but for his part  my  brother  asked me about  her all the  time  and  became rather annoying about it.

Trigger,  most women like sitting on men. As I see it  the  only difference  for me  was that I  had  more  opportunities   and  I  was never  embarrassed about  it  or  concerned  that others  might consider it improper.  I 'm  also  not troubled  about being  selfish. My  mother  taught  me  that  if you  don't love  yourself,  no one else  would either.

Okie..

What is your greatest riding or sitting experience so far, if you can tell.

Audreyb wrote:

Trigger:

My current status  is  divorced and single. I  date as often  as  my  free time  allows but  I'm not interested in  a  serious  relationship right  now.

I  don't have a  "regular  carrier"  because  I  don't pursue  this activity regularly. Up until  late last summer  when my  friend invited me  on those outings  , all shoulder  and pony riding I indulged  in  was spur of the  moment , a  whim  that I followed ,  or  as request from  someone I  happened to  be with  at the time.   It was only recently  that I  started to  think  about it  a little more often  for a  variety of reasons. Most of those  reasons  were  concerning  issues in my  life and  an  examination of my  attitudes.   It's  rather hard to  explain  and  somewhat unusual for me  because I usually prefer  not to over examine  my feelings.

Based on my observations, women are panicly afraid of the anticipated consequences of everything that happens with or around them. She may be afraid that  someone is going to see her ride him, so there may be gossip. If she's got a boyfriend, he may be jealous, If she hasn't, the guy she is supposed ride, might understnd this a sign of romantic interest. And a milion other things.

Ultmately, when it comes to riding on shoulders, the difference is most men seek a woman to fulfill their fantasies. Most women seek fantasies to fulfill with their men; that's where the perceived severe shortage of women, who are open minded about riding comes from.

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qwerty1:

I never specifically "ride" on  other girls. I have  been on other  girls shoulders at  various times   and  brief  instances of pony rides as a  child and  early teens.
other than  that  I can't imagine choosing to ride or  be  carried  by  another girl or woman. I  can't see any practical  aspect involved  and I don't think I  could feel  comfortable  and secure sitting on  another woman's shoulders or even  astride her back.  I'm sure there  are some  women who might be  exceptions and serve  very well as  carriers  but I  doubt I  would seek such a person  for the  task even if  riding people was a  frequent pursuit .
Frankly, I'm  rather surprised  that there are so many  men that want to ride on  women's shoulders here. Obviously  the desire to  ride on  shoulders and the  heterosexual  aspect, perhaps including dominance is  understandable, but  it  strikes me as otherwise impractical. I'm not  judging anyone's  motives in any way is saying that.
The male friend  that  I was riding with on the outings I  talked about is  gay of course and I know  that  part of  his  motivation is  dominance. Again  this  is simply  factual  and not  judgmental on my part.  But from the practical  aspect, I tend to think of  male carriers as preferable   whether the  rider is a  man or a woman and regardless of sexual orientations.

Dear Audreyb

It’s astonishing to realize that my views totally match with yours
when you say that you believe in acting by your own rules and not by others opinions.
And also when you say it’s all about perception!

Thanks for sharing these nice stories of yours.
I liked the one about your friend riding your brother very much.
And more than that how you broke your ex-husband to be your beast of burden.
It was a great story.

But for these things to happen I give credit to your manipulating skills rather than his ego.
Everybody are egoistic to some extent
but I don’t think that can be utilized to make them beast of burden.
I think hurting or boosting the ego of a masochist person works perfectly in favor of the rider
but I doubt about the success of this strategy on a non-masochist or sadist person.
Eg: I too don’t like a girl sitting on my lap or for that matter anywhere on my body and so never allow that. The only exception was my ex-girlfriend as I mentioned earlier due to obvious reasons. And no ego hurting strategy in the world could make me do that.

Many times, girls tried to use my ego against me to get their work done but have never succeeded.
And like you, I too don’t think about what others would think about me.
I think affection works better in this.
I do practice chivalry though, when I find it justified as per my personal norms.

When a man sits on the horse to travel uphill, it doesn’t hurt his ego
that he is not man enough to complete the task himself.
Instead he takes advantage of the beast and relaxes himself.
Similarly it won’t hurt my ego to request a girl to carry me on her shoulders.
That doesn’t make me less of a man.
And I don’t care if she thinks negative about it.
I personally believe that even if girls are physically weak, they have good stamina.

Once I was going to have a long walk (I think around 2-3 km) with a girl
for getting some papers of common interest.
She was empty handed and I had some books, maybe weighing around 2-3 kg.
I said ‘I feel very bored to carry this; you please carry this for me’.
She happily obeyed and carried the weight to and fro.
I felt very good about it. It was an indirect riding for me.

Similarly, whenever we go somewhere, it is always my girlfriend who would carry the weight.
Except when my help his needed due to her limited physical capability compared to mine.

I believed that my girlfriend should tolerate my weight if she really loves me.
Just like you believed that your father should tolerate your weight if he really loves you.
I once put a poll on a group (I don’t remember the wordings exactly.
It was something like….if your girlfriend agrees or don’t agree to give you a ride on her when you demand, it means that …. She really loves you…don’t love your…. she is interested in that activity….not interested in the activity…. and something like that. But the poll result proved that, people think that their girlfriend agreeing or not agreeing to give them ride has nothing to do with their girlfriends love towards them. However it was a pleasure to know that you too have deep belief regarding this topic in the same way as I believe.

Please do continue to post some more stories of your life. Especially about your rides on your unwilling ex-husband. They are really very interesting. Thanks.

"I am not troubled about being selfish"...

Audrey, I wish more women were just like you! Selfishness is underrated!! Of course I am not saying that one should not care about other people. But the right dose of selfishness - in my opinion - makes any woman more desirable, and any man more eager to conquer and satisfy her.

You have the perfect attitude to be an amazing rider. And I am sure people would wait in line to be your carrier, if you decided to pursue shoulder riding as a more regular activity. I would definitely be there!

May I send you a private message and ask where you are based? Just trying to book my place in line as early as possible...

Wildfiregirl:

I  didn't  imply that  all women were incapable of being carriers or that  a woman  who prefers to  carry others in  some manner shouldn't do so. When I  said I  found  it impractical I meant that  an  average men are  larger  and stronger  and I would feel  more comfortable and secure sitting on  a  man's shoulders.  I  do  find idea of arm  stilts interesting  and  if  invited, I would  almost  certainly sit  on your back for a ride while you  were so  equipped .  I really don't bother  with  piggyback rides normally.
I can only suppose that a  man sitting on your  back  would be experiencing the same  feelings  and/or enjoyment  that I  would sitting on  a man's back, or  as near  as I  can imagine what a  male feels.
I did  know a man  who enjoyed sitting on his  wife but it was  not  with her consent  and he  sat on her  laying on the floor  or  the  sofa  rather than  riding her.
All the men I  know who ride on shoulders  or  backs are  gay men  and their carriers are also  gay men. I've known several  women  who  liked to  ride, or at least did  so often  enough to  conclude enjoyment  and satisfaction.

Since my only experience  in  riding on another  girl/woman have  been  brief  and either  playful, involved an  immediate  need or an athletic event  (cheer leading for example) I  can only imagine that I would feel more inclined toward  empathy for a woman I  was sitting on. I rarely feel  empathy  toward  men.

Hey Audrey I have seen many videos of Wild fire girl giving rides to really heavy guys on All 4s and few on shoulders.
and i must say that she is more passionate and strong then many of the male carriers including me.

She easily give all 4s ride to 200 pound men, which is hard for me, and she remains the perfect submissive horse during rides, which I am not.

I have to learn much from this girl..

Thanks.

Audreyb wrote:

Wildfiregirl:

I  didn't  imply that  all women were incapable of being carriers or that  a woman  who prefers to  carry others in  some manner shouldn't do so. When I  said I  found  it impractical I meant that  an  average men are  larger  and stronger  and I would feel  more comfortable and secure sitting on  a  man's shoulders.  I  do  find idea of arm  stilts interesting  and  if  invited, I would  almost  certainly sit  on your back for a ride while you  were so  equipped .  I really don't bother  with  piggyback rides normally.
I can only suppose that a  man sitting on your  back  would be experiencing the same  feelings  and/or enjoyment  that I  would sitting on  a man's back, or  as near  as I  can imagine what a  male feels.
I did  know a man  who enjoyed sitting on his  wife but it was  not  with her consent  and he  sat on her  laying on the floor  or  the  sofa  rather than  riding her.
All the men I  know who ride on shoulders  or  backs are  gay men  and their carriers are also  gay men. I've known several  women  who  liked to  ride, or at least did  so often  enough to  conclude enjoyment  and satisfaction.

Since my only experience  in  riding on another  girl/woman have  been  brief  and either  playful, involved an  immediate  need or an athletic event  (cheer leading for example) I  can only imagine that I would feel more inclined toward  empathy for a woman I  was sitting on. I rarely feel  empathy  toward  men.

ya i have also seen that news, where i women kill even some kids / son/ hubby by sitting on him.

while i must say that you are a small riding dynamite, who deserves kneeling from carriers like me.

Audreyb wrote:

trigger:

I  believe that  wildfiregirl is everything you  and she say  she is.  But I was  speaking of  women  as carriers in general   and I  believe I  made it  clear that exception do  exist.  I'm  also quite  sure  that far  more women  would prefer  to be carried than to  carry a  man.  On  the  same subject, I  tend to associate sitting and/or riding someone on  all fours as more specifically dominating than shoulder riding. I  base this on several factors  including of course that there is  little practical  purpose beyond perhaps having  nothing else available to  sit on. 
Generally,  a  man  could force a woman into  a  position of  submission  and could  dominate  or  passively punish her  by  sitting on her, even forcing her into the  all fours  position to  ride her or  simply sit on her back as  one  might  sit on  a  bench.
But  a man  must be willing or coerced to be  put  in the same  position beneath  a  woman.

Being on  the small  size myself, I  admit rare  but  occasional envy of  larger and heavier women and heavier  people in general who can squash , pin down  and basically dominate another person  by just sitting down on him.  This is something I haven't experienced since I  was very  young  because  even my  younger  brother  could have  pushed me  off after  the age of  11 or  12 years old  if he had been  allowed  to do so.  On  YouTube there is a  video of  an obese woman  who killed her husband by sitting on his chest  until  he died.   Obviously  I  have  no  desire to  kill anyone of course ,  but  I  was  intrigued  by the  idea of having  the  power to sit on  an adult man and  by doing so  render him  so  powerless  that he had  no  choice but  to  lie there and  even  suffocate.  Of course if I were  actually obese I  wouldn't like it and  I wouldn't  like being concerned that  I  might  harm  someone  by sitting on them.
Far  more  commonly, I prefer that a  man to  submit  to  anything I  want out of a desire to  please me more than himself and  even if he  finds  it strenuous or unpleasant.   I  can only guess at  the  desires and  motivations of a man who  wants to sit on  Wildfiregirl might have. I certainly  wouldn't apply  any  moral  judgment  or  any  judgment  even if  I  thought it  objectionable,  which I  assure you  I  don't.

Lol..
Well i can say..if we ever meet someday in real..you can try all your sitting and riding ways on me.without any hesitation.

Audreyb wrote:

trigger:

Yes, I  remember a  story of a woman who sat on her son to  kill  him  quite  deliberately. She  said she heard  "voices"  telling her to  do so. Obviously she was insane .  There was also  a story from  India of  an  obese woman who killed her much older  husband by  sitting on his chest because  he was  planning to leave all of his  estate to  his  children by  his first  marriage.

I  would  hate to have anyone imagine that I  would  condone murdering  anyone  by  any  means.
But  I was intrigued  by  the simple  practicality of  these actions.
I  accept  the reality that I'm somewhat  physically lazy  by  nature   so I  would prefer to do almost everything sitting down  which would probably include murder  if  I  could imagine myself  murdering anyone.

Audreyb wrote:

trigger:
I  tend to associate sitting and/or riding someone on  all fours as more specifically dominating than shoulder riding. I  base this on several factors  including of course that there is  little practical  purpose beyond perhaps having  nothing else available to  sit on.

I wouldn't agree. It is MUCH easier to carry someone on all fours than on shoulders. I could quite readily carry my 200-lbs. GF on all fours, even upstairs, but not for any length of time on my shoulders (unless in water). It just takes A LOT more physically and mentally to give a shoulder ride, so I'd say it's more dominating when the rider commands and uses all that effort for her pleasure. As you are a rider, you might not quite appreciate that. Also, shoulder ride has quite more of a sexual (S&M) overtone: kid friends would have a lot of fun on all-fours, but SR is more of a BF/GF thing. I can see the point on the practical aspect, but I don't think it is all that relevant to the domination issue.

Fisk:

The  person sitting upon  another person by the  vary  nature of  the position implies that the sitter/rider is  superior  to  the  seat/carrier.  Obviously the respective quality of either person could  not be  really  judged by   this or any other single action.  I'm  specifically  referring to what  the position  itself  implies.

As for  the subject of  practicality, you  may very well be  able to support  your  plus-sized girlfriend longer  while she is sitting on  your  back,  but I  would be surprised  if  you  could carry her as far in that position as  you  could if she was  sitting on your shoulders.
For the sake of this argument, let us imagine that you and she  are  alone in  some remote  place  and she injures  her  foot  or leg.  For  the sake of this argument, no other help is available and you  must get her back  to  the  vehicle  to take her to  a medical  facility or  home. Obviously you  could carry her piggy  back  but that is  not within  the subject of this  debate  between  the  two methods ie: Shoulder  ride vs  all  fours.  If the two of you  were  (for the sake of  argument)  3  miles  from  you  vehicle,  how fast  do you imagine  you  could  crawl  with  her (200 lbs.)sitting on your  back? How  much  distance  could you really travel?    I think that even  on  relatively soft and even  ground  your  hands and  knees would be sore and damaged before you traveled  one  mile assuming  your   spine could support  her sitting on  it  as your  motion bounced her weight and she struggled to  maintain  her seat.
My  point  is  that  while whether sitting on  someone's  shoulders vs  sitting on his  back is  more or less  dominant,  the practicality of  the two  positions seems to  favor carrying  someone on  your shoulders.
Borrowing from my personal  experience, my  ex husband was  physically stronger than  most men and I'm sure  he could carry  your Girlfriend at least  one  mile  before requiring  a  rest  period, I  very much  doubt he could crawl that same  mile  with her sitting on his  back, or even  with  me sitting on him.

As  for  which position, shoulder or  back  sitting or riding  being  more  expressly  dominant,  while I accept that each  person's  perception is their own, I  would have to refer again to  practicality to  some degree  to support  my  argument  since without the practical aspect, the person  being  sat upon is  being  objectified. The  person  sitting on  another person's back is very likely to be  more  comfortable  than if  she/he  were sitting on the same person's shoulders whether the  person supporting  him/her is  moving or  not. The sitter's  buttocks and thighs are supported  by a broader surface and there is less effort to maintain  one's  balance .

Audreyb wrote:

Fisk:
For the sake of this argument, let us imagine that you and she  are  alone in  some remote  place  and she injures  her  foot  or leg.  For  the sake of this argument, no other help is available and you  must get her back  to  the  vehicle  to take her to  a medical  facility or  home. Obviously you  could carry her piggy  back  but that is  not within  the subject of this  debate  between  the  two methods ie: Shoulder  ride vs  all  fours.  If the two of you  were  (for the sake of  argument)  3  miles  from  you  vehicle,  how fast  do you imagine  you  could  crawl  with  her (200 lbs.)sitting on your  back? How  much  distance  could you really travel?    I think that even  on  relatively soft and even  ground  your  hands and  knees would be sore and damaged before you traveled  one  mile assuming  your   spine could support  her sitting on  it  as your  motion bounced her weight and she struggled to  maintain  her seat. My  point  is  that  while whether sitting on  someone's  shoulders vs  sitting on his  back is  more or less  dominant,  the practicality of  the two  positions seems to  favor carrying  someone on  your shoulders.
Borrowing from my personal  experience, my  ex husband was  physically stronger than  most men and I'm sure  he could carry  your Girlfriend at least  one  mile  before requiring  a  rest  period, I  very much  doubt he could crawl that same  mile  with her sitting on his  back, or even  with  me sitting on him.

Within that argument, I would simply NOT be able to carry her on shoulders for 3 miles or even 1 mile: she did ride me that way a few times and I know what I can do: a couple hundred feet at most (unless in water). It would obviously be exceedingly hard for me to carry her on all-fours for miles, but would likely be possible  over long time (for 1 mile, at least) if I use hard knee cups and heavily padded gloves with tough outer liner (like ski gloves) so as to not scratch myself and distribute the weight some. So the practicality depends on the weight: a lady of 130 lbs such as you would of course go on the shoulders no-brainer, but a much heavier would be on all-fours or not at all. The piggy-back option (outside of the above argument) could be most practical for an intermediate case.

With you as a relatively small rider, shoulders would be most practical for most men, hence perhaps your perspective. But even you have mentioned a man who could only carry you on all fours.

Last edited by Fisk (2015-03-04 16:57:50)

trigger:

That is an amusing thought but of  my current staff of 16  employees,  only 3  are  male, one of whom is  my accountant who is to  valuable to be  put to any other use  and  one  is far to  old  to  survive the strain.  That leave  me with my  most  useless employee ,  a man  I  employ as  a favor  to  a  long time  friend.  He is  the  janitor/handyman/errand boy/helper  who isn't good at any  of  those things.
When he  failed badly at repairing  the wheel of my office chair  I  probably should have had  him replace it with  his worthless  back. He  permanently  destroyed the part that held the  wheel  with his fumbling attempt , then had the  nerve  to  say  it was because it was a  "cheap  chair".  That  chair  cost $350.! More than he has ever  been  worth. I  really should have sat on his  worthless  back for  the rest of the day to  teach him  a lesson.  Or  even better, take my  account's  chair and let  my  260 lb.  accountant sit on him  instead.  Maybe I should have suggested it  because  my accountant  dislikes the fool  anyway and would  like  nothing better than sitting on  that cretin.

But of  course I just ordered  a  new  chair  and deducted part of the  cost from  his  salary for the  next two months.  But I  did  call his  ex wife,  the long term  friend that I  hired him  as a favor to  and I  explained  the situation. Since he is  partially supporting her (the reason for the favor) I  thought that she  should be  the one  to  "sit on  him"  so to speak. 

In  thinking about,  My accountant dislikes  that  man so  much  that he  might have preferred  sitting on him more than  the  bonus  I gave my  employees  at  Christmas.  I  really should have considered it  more seriously since it would have saved  me  some  money  and it  would  probably be  the  only  good  use  the  fool  has ever  been put to.

bernager wrote:

Another day, when I was younger, a young student I participated in a big chicken fight in pool. A rather heavy girl with large thighs looked for a partner and asked me. She was very beautiful. She did'nt know my name but I believe that she didn't care. From time to time she said "go the horse, move forward" by tapping me to the head so that we meet an other couple. She was very strong, had a lot of balance, and stayed on my shoulders for a very long time. I don't remember any more the pain it was. Every time she spoke to me, it was to ask me to move forward. I was only a horse for her. It was a very exciting situation.

That appears unusual, unless she was so heavy as very few would consider "very beautiful" or "very long time" is significantly over half an hour. It is so much easier to carry someone in the water because of buoyancy, especially as you can take surreptitious short breaks by submerging such that almost all weight is off and also her tightly grabbing your torso with her legs and feet (as needed for stability in a chicken fight) reduces the load on shoulders. As I've said, I could carry my nearly 200-lbs GF in a pool for quite a while with no significant discomfort (especially as she transfers some weight on my hips through her legs), but one the ground for a couple minutes at most with a strong pain.

trigger:

Thanks  but I don't need  an  excuse  if  I had  any  great desire to sit on someone's shoulders.
If  I   found myself  in the mood  to  do  so  I have a few boyfriends who  would do so willingly  or at the very least  consensually.  I'm not exactly  Matronly   yet.

As for the  fool  I was talking  about, putting him  to use  as an  office  chair or whatever  was just a  passing thought  that amused  me.   In  reality  I'm  sure  I punished him  enough by  telling his  ex-wife,  specially about the cash flow  problem  he would have.  It's a rather long  but it would  suffice  to  say  that the fool  is obsessed with her  and will accept any punishment she  chose to  inflict.
I  could almost feel sorry for  him  if he wasn't  such a  complete  idiot.
His salary is  just  a few  dollars over  the  minimum  wage and I'm  being cheated in  paying him that  much.

Sorry, I  know this is way off the topic but I  thought  a little  background was in order.

blush, thanks Trigger, but I'm certainly far from perfect... and I think some of this stuff is due to the desire and determination of the rider, and the desire and determination of the pony.

trigger wrote:

Hey Audrey I have seen many videos of Wild fire girl giving rides to really heavy guys on All 4s and few on shoulders.
and i must say that she is more passionate and strong then many of the male carriers including me.

She easily give all 4s ride to 200 pound men, which is hard for me, and she remains the perfect submissive horse during rides, which I am not.

I have to learn much from this girl..

Thanks.