Ultimate shoulder rides

Audrey,

Fair enough, perhaps I am too quick to rush to the defense of female carriers!

I was fortunate enough to have a try with the arm stilts of a ponyboy friend of mine who likes to experiment and who makes clever things, and he was kind enough to switch roles briefly and sit on my back. It felt very interesting and changed my head-space.
You'd almost certainly be invited.

That has (so far) been the way with myself as well... playing chicken, though, rather than cheerleading.

Audreyb wrote:

Wildfiregirl:

I  didn't  imply that  all women were incapable of being carriers or that  a woman  who prefers to  carry others in  some manner shouldn't do so. When I  said I  found  it impractical I meant that  an  average men are  larger  and stronger  and I would feel  more comfortable and secure sitting on  a  man's shoulders.  I  do  find idea of arm  stilts interesting  and  if  invited, I would  almost  certainly sit  on your back for a ride while you  were so  equipped .  I really don't bother  with  piggyback rides normally.
I can only suppose that a  man sitting on your  back  would be experiencing the same  feelings  and/or enjoyment  that I  would sitting on  a man's back, or  as near  as I  can imagine what a  male feels.
I did  know a man  who enjoyed sitting on his  wife but it was  not  with her consent  and he  sat on her  laying on the floor  or  the  sofa  rather than  riding her.
All the men I  know who ride on shoulders  or  backs are  gay men  and their carriers are also  gay men. I've known several  women  who  liked to  ride, or at least did  so often  enough to  conclude enjoyment  and satisfaction.

Since my only experience  in  riding on another  girl/woman have  been  brief  and either  playful, involved an  immediate  need or an athletic event  (cheer leading for example) I  can only imagine that I would feel more inclined toward  empathy for a woman I  was sitting on. I rarely feel  empathy  toward  men.

Wildfiregirl:

Because I have a more assertive or perhaps dominant personality  I have to  admit  to having  a  personal preference  for the  concept of  male carriers.   As I  already  stated,  I  don't  pursue this activity very  often    and I   prefer  deference from men in  virtually all  aspects of  my  life.  As such, I simply  prefer to think of a man in the  role  of carrier,  serving as  a beast of  burden.

I would be the  last person to imply  that  a woman  shouldn't pursue any activity  she chooses  in  whatever role she  might choose.  Yet  my personal prejudice toward seeing  a  woman  being served  by a  man rather than serving  a man  very likely  effects  my view on  some subjects.
Also,  as I  said, I believe I  would be  inclined to feel more empathy  toward the  exertion of another woman  if I were sitting on her  back  which  would effect  my  enjoyment of the activity.
I  feel  very little for a  man in the same  position  and  based on  my  limited experience to date,  I  feel less  empathy  for him over time  rather  than more.  I  would  certainly  ride  your back or shoulders  if the opportunity presented  itself and  of course you wanted me to. But  I can't  help   my  general feeling on the subject.

I have seen videos of men and women  using arm  stilts  as you  described. I  found the  arrangement of  supporting the weight on  the persons  forearms  as well as the hands  rather interesting.
The  most  detailed view was  rather  fetish oriented  with  a  girl rather immodestly attired  with  her  back level and her  lower back sagging slightly,  which I  assumed  would  be  where  the rider would  be sitting. I  can  only  guess  at the practicality of such an  arrangement during an  actual pony ride with  someone sitting on her.  Obviously  I  don't know  but  while it might be  comfortable for the rider,  it didn't  strike  me as  very  stable.

guero:

The lady  probably  knew you  wouldn't  mind  and took advantage of a  simple convenience .

Since you like having  women  sit on your shoulders  and  it's likely  that your sister is aware that you like it,  she  probably told  your  boss (her  friend) who in turn either simply took the opportunity as  a  convenient way to  reach  something,  or  possibly was  intrigued by  your  desire and chose to experience it  for herself.  I  might have done the same  myself ,depending on  how  I  felt about  the  man  (you) .  But whether I did or  not, I  know  I  would have  considered it.

Things would be  much simpler if people could act without repercussions for  meaningless actions.
Your  boss , having a  position of  authority over you  might have  felt confident in  that  authority to dismiss  any  consideration concerning your feelings on the  matter. 
Far to  often a woman  would be inclined   to imagine that  you  would see such an act as more than  just a  convenience  for her or  her acting on  a  whim of the  moment. 
A woman  doesn't  have to  like you  or really  have any opinion of you to  either act on her  whim  or simply take advantage of a man's  strength as (as in this  case)a  handy platform.

guero: 

Yes,  as I was saying,  the implication of intimacy can be a problem for  women. Since I'm  am  more hedonistic  than  many  women, I  tend to  decide what is intimate  based almost exclusively on my own terms and dismiss what other people might  assume or how they  would interpret  my actions.
I believe my attitude  is  more liberating for  both  myself and the  men  I  come in  contact with.

To me,  any act  is  really nothing  more than what the people involved consider it to  be.
For example,  in  performance dance,  I  might  sit on  my partner's shoulders or something similar with  nothing more than  the performance  involved. It  has  nothing to  do with  my feelings about my partner  or  his either. If  I  happened to  like sitting on his shoulders  and he didn't,  the  act  remains exactly the same. The reverse would also be true.  If I  mount a  man's shoulders simply because I  happen  to feel  like doing so (and I stress  this is  just  a  hypothetical  example)he  bears  my weight whether it is welcome or an unpleasant burden  and my enjoyment  or lack there of is  exactly the  same regardless of his  feelings. For the most part  I  am  completely  indifferent to  what he  feels.

I'm  glad  you are flattered  but  the  fact is that I  expect any  average  man of average size and age to bear an average woman's weight  reasonably well  and I think  any woman of any reasonable size has a  right to  expect   any  man  she is normally  intimate with  to bear her  weight to some  degree.
I  don't mean  specifically carry her on his shoulders of  course  but in  any common way  a  woman  might expect a  man  to .

stalot:

As I have previously stated, shoulder riding isn't an activity  I pursue with  any degree of  regularity.
Up  until last year  it was  spur of the  moment  or opportunistic  situations   that I  rarely  sought or  avoided.
A  male friend who pursues shoulder and pony-back  riding invited me to  accompany  him last summer  and  provided  my carrier.  I  was  of course aware of his interest in the activity  and other aspects of  his dominant lifestyle  so  the  invitation wasn't entirely unexpected  but  I didn't
know  what to expect in  regard  to  the  outing itself.  I  enjoy  the outdoors  and being relieved  of  the stress  of walking  for  long  distances on  footpaths and  the benefit  of seeing  the forest and  meadows  from  a higher  vantage point was  my  primary  motivation.

I did  of course enjoy these things  but  my  carrier's reluctance initially annoyed me.
Oddly,  I  found  that  his  (my  carrier's) attitude  ultimately   resulted in  me enjoying the ride  more than I  might have. It  allowed  me to  be  indifferent to  his stress  and discomfort  more than  I  might  have  were  I  riding a  completely  willing  carrier.  I  could regard  him  less as a person  and  more as a beast of  burden.  His condition was voluntary in that he chose to  obey  my  friend's  orders  and  my friend  had  put him  to  the task of carrying me. His  resentment of me freed  me  of the  empathy I  might feel for someone performing this service for  me.

On  subsequent outings with the  same  carrier  he  became more  polite but I  continued to  disregard  him for the  most part .  I  was never  cruel  to  him  but  I  became almost as  demanding as  my  friend  was  with his  carrier.  I would  of course be  more  lenient with  a  willing  carrier  but the experience did  bring about  the  feelings  concerning the expectations  of  the  rider in  regard  to  his/her  carrier  which is  the  original subject of  this thread.

stalot:

I appreciate  your  interest,  however  I never  make dates on line  or so far in  advance.
Perhaps you  can  seek  me  out on this  forum  at some point  closer to  your  arrival.
I  live in  the  Midwest  and if  it's  convenient  at the time,  a simple  meeting  might be   possible.
Please understand that  I will not promise anything   or  meet  with  any  expectations  involved  if such a meeting takes place.

Audreyb:

That's an interesting concept.  I think any man would appreciate a female's expectation of strength.  How often would you say you've mounted a man's shoulders without saying anything simply because you felt like it?

Audreyb wrote:

I  have always been inclined to  believe  that  in a  rider/carrier  situation,  for  the experience to be  fully enjoyed, that the  rider should always be in  charge  in  matters of the direction and duration of  the ride.    I  think that  this should be   confined  to reasonable and  sane limits  of course. 
Obviously in relationships where  one person has  surrendered his or her  rights  to  a  dominant partner, the  rules  established in  their relationship  should  prevail,  however  for  otherwise  completely  consensual  rider/carrier situations, I  believe  the carrier should be under the  control of the  person the  carrier is  performing  this service to.

Again I  stress that reasonable  limits should  of course  be observed ,  but  I  feel  that the  rider should be  in full  control of the  carrier  regardless  of the  gender, size  or   other factors in  their  relationship.

I  would like to  know  the  opinions of  other  riders as well  as carriers on  this  subject.

I like your comments Audreyb. You always make interesting questions.

I think you are right, Audreyb. If Iwere the pony I would like my female rider would fully enjoy being in charge in matters of the direction and duration of the ride.

You are a rider Audreyb, what you think the reasonable and sane limits are?

Audreyb wrote:

checkmateguy:  I  suppose that even  rather heavy  people visiting  such a  place where human's were hired or rented as  carriers/beasts of  burden  would avail  themselves of  a photo-op   while sitting on  one of the carriers. I would have to be  there  to know  if I would  indulge in  such an  amusement.  Several of  us had our  pictures taken sitting on a  man who was a Human  Seat  at a  Renaissance-fair some years back. I  wish I had the  photo ,especially of  my  friend sitting on him because she is quite  large  and the man looked very  worried about supporting her. It was amusing.

However, in  musing  on the subject,  I  would  be  more interested  in renting one  for the purpose of riding.  Having toured areas  in  Mexico  and elsewhere  and walked many  miles in  viewing points of interest in  hot weather, I  imagined the  option of being  carried  instead  on  several occasions. Of  course no such service was available  at the time. One of my  male  companions on one trip  semi-seriously  suggested hiring a  peon to  carry him   and when my shoes proved  to be a  painfully  bad  choice for the day, I  found myself wishing  that I  could have.

I'm  somewhat curious  if  you  would be interested in  such an  arrangement,  being carried  by one of  those  Korean  peasants while  touring the island?  Since I believe you have expressed your enjoyment of  riding  and sitting on men's shoulders.
I'm  also  curious if you  agree  with  my  feelings about  requirements  of comfort and services of  the  carrier.    My  curiosity concerning your  views  stem  from  the  impression  that I  have    that  your  carriers  are  generally men  who  enjoy  carrying  you  as  opposed  to  this  type of situation where the  carriers  motives are  to  earn  a  living with their services.

Mexico is a great country. Where in Mexico? There are many places of interest.

Right now, I am in Mexico. Maybe You could hire me to carry you the next time you come here, Audreyb. I would carry You for free.

Viva la Raza!

The problem with hiring a local person in an economically undeveloped country to carry you around on his shoulders is that most locals who might be poor enough to do this work are likely to be thin undernourished people. So even if a local offered to carry you around on his shoulders for an amount of money, would it be fair to expect the carrier to carry a Westerner who would be likely to weigh more than him? Personally, I'd get one hell of a kick out of shoulder-riding a thin puny guy. Oops! Maybe I shouldn't have said that.
The way that the world has been going for the last decade or so is that those in the poorer countries are getting poorer. We in the West, despite the financial meltdown in 2008, are still doing quite well and some are doing very well. Will we ever see shoulder-riding tourism? Well, maybe. Who knows? The members of this Forum might/could set a trend. Maybe 20 or so of the members of this Forum could go as a group on a visit to an economically undeveloped country and spend a week shoulder-riding a few of the locals. A few of you might be dreaming about this scenario in your beds tonight - so sweet dreams... !

... my concern would not be with my feet but an entirely different part of my anatomy!

It sounds like your enjoyment and comfort - Audreyb and Checkmateguy - comes before any concern about the carrier's strain, as it should be.

However I wonder whether the carrier's feelings make any difference on your level of enjoyment. In other words, do you prefer riding a person who willingly and enthusiastically turns himself into your beast of burden? Or you would enjoy riding a paid peasant just as much?

As a carrier, I definitely prefer being ridden by someone who clearly enjoys using me... and that even motivates me to put in extra effort, especially if they have a dominant attitude.

Audrey,

I find it very interesting that you would be more demanding and selfish with a paid carrier. I guess the situation would give you a sense of entitlement. How exactly would you act, as a selfish rider? (e.g. kick him like a horse to demand a longer / faster ride?)

And would the chance to be more dominant - together with that sense of entitlement - increase your enjoyment of the ride?

From a carrier's perspective, if I volunteer to be ridden I am probably more motivated to offer my best performance. But if I were (hypothetically) to accept being a human horse just for money, I would probably enjoy it much less. However, I guess the whole point of being "demanding and selfish" is for the rider to be indifferent to the carrier's perspective!

Audrey,

You are making an excellent point about the infamous risk of a "topping-from-the-bottom" situation.

A submissive carrier should genuinely want to serve you, instead of seeing you as a tool to satisfy his fetish.

That means that your comfort, needs and satisfaction should be his exclusive focus. And he should keep giving his best effort as your beast of burden, even when the strain starts prevailing over his desire to be used.

Also, you should definitely expect deference and obedience. When you say "deference at the very least", what else do you have in mind? How would your ideal carrier behave?

Audrey,

That sounds absolutely perfect, and it describes exactly the way I would serve you (or any other demanding rider)...

I especially love how you highlighted the importance of trust: you expect your carrier to completely give you control over him, to the point of relying exclusively on your judgment as to when any rest break is needed. Excellent.

Spring is coming soon. So I hope you will embrace your clear talent as a rider, and become a more active practitioner of this activity!

Audrey,

I completely agree on the opportunity to simulate - as much as humanly possible - the experience of riding an actual horse. As a submissive carrier, that's actually what leads me into "headspace", where my rider's orders nearly bypass my brain and immediately get my muscles to obey, just like a beast of burden.

As for the saddle, I think it's interesting to find ways to make the carrier's body as suitable as possible for riding. You mentioned that you demand your carriers to hunch their back and keep their head down, in order to maximize the surface (neck and shoulders) available for you to sit in a comfortable and supported fashion. As you know, I totally subscribe to that. It essentially transforms the carrier's neck and shoulders into your human saddle! And while such a position can increase the strain on the carrier, he should willingly endure it because your comfort is more important.

I also enjoy turning my arms and hands into my rider's stirrups, in a way that supports the weight of her legs and feet while not preventing her movements, so she can kick me with her heels whenever she wants. Would you like that?

I think the combination of all of the above makes for the most enjoyable riding experience.

The only key aspect left out is how to give directions to the carrier. If no bit and bridles are to be used - and we exclude verbal commands in order to keep simulating an experience close to equestrian - I suppose you could use your feet (left kick for right turn, and right kick for left turn) and/or pull the carrier's hair or ears like bridles. What would be your preference?

And any other experiences or suggestions from anybody on the forum about this topic?

Checkmateguy,

That's actually a pivotal moment: as soon as I feel my rider's weight settling on my shoulders, I stop thinking and my focus shifts entirely to my rider's orders. It feels amazing because it allows me to switch off the brain, and to be just a body, selfishly controlled by someone else for their comfort and enjoyment. It's kind of therapeutic.

If the weight feels higher than expected, I just breathe in and get ready to work as hard as I can. No time to panic: I am too busy obeying.

Let me ask you the same question: as a rider, how do you feel when you mount a new human horse?

checkmateguy:

Everyone is entitled to  secret  fantasies  and of course the  details  that are  perhaps  equally  stimulating and possibly  erotic.
But  unless there is a purpose other than simply  enjoying  the  ride  such  as simple  transportation or  performing a  task  that  requires being  elevated,   I think  it's  only  natural  to feel a  sense of  dominance and  superiority over  the  carrier  and treat  him  as  a  beast of  burden,  rather more  as  property.  There is  a sadistic  aspect to  the rider's position  and  role  when  sitting  on  another person, more  so than  sitting on  a  horse in  fact.  When  riding on the shoulders of  the man my  friend  ordered  to  carry  me, I  found myself  feeling  more liberated and  able  to  enjoy the experience more when  his attitude toward  me  made  me disregard  his discomfort  and  the  burden I  was upon  him.

In  riding  a non human  horse,  part of the enjoyment is in  sitting  astride and  controlling  a powerful  beast. Your  desire  to sit  astride a powerful  man and demand  his  obedience isn't  very  different  and certainly isn't  abnormal.    Simply  sitting on  another person in  almost any  manner  is a  form of  domination  and possibly  the most  natural and  simple form.

Well, I will say more actually. And that's about you riding on the shoulders of a man who was ordered to carry you by a friend of yours.

The thing about this situation is that you were (and probably did) enjoy being given a ride on this man's shoulders even though he did not willingly carry you but had to because he was ordered to do so by your friend.

In this situation you could (and probably did) enjoy the ride on this man's shoulders even though you knew he probably didn't want you sat astride his shoulders or having to carry your weight and probably resented the fact that you were enjoying a gratifying amount of pleasure while you were shoulder-riding him.

The most significant point here is that because your friend ordered him to give you a shoulder ride you, yourself, didn't need to accept or feel any responsibility for any pain or discomfort he might have felt by having to carry you. More significant still was the fact that I think you said that the man who was ordered to carry you was gay and, that being so, he might have felt humiliated by having a female sat astride his shoulders and giving you a shoulder ride which, during the course of the ride, you found gratifying.

Yet, as I said, because your friend ordered him to give you a shoulder ride, you were in the position whereby you didn't have to accept any responsibility for this man's discomfort or humiliation (if, of course, he felt those two emotions). The responsibility for this carrier's well-being and dignity was that of your friend, not you. It would be interesting to know how you would have felt if your friend, who had ordered the man to give you the shoulder ride, had ordered him to carry you until he dropped down with exhaustion? Would you still have felt you had no responsibility for the carrier's welfare by saying all responsibility rested with your friend?

It's just like a soldier who is ordered by a senior officer to shoot dead a prisoner. If at a later date the soldier is charged with murder he'll say he's not guilty because he was told to kill the prisoner by the officer.

But to get back for a few final words about shoulder riding: there definitely a potentially gratifying element about having a shoulder ride on a person who has been ordered to give you a ride by someone else who has a certain power over that person. A similar situation frequently occurs when an unwilling gay guy or an equally unwilling female has been ordered by another, who has either physical or psychological power over them, to perform sexual acts on someone they normally wouldn't perform the acts on (e.g. gay guy on a female; a female on another female). But maybe there is a moral responsibility not to exploit a person, for your own pleasure, who is under the control and influence of another person?

Thanks Audrey for sharing more details on your story.

As I said in the past, you can count me among the men who would love to serve as your human horse. And I would also willingly carry whoever else you ordered me to.

But there's more. Even though I am heterosexual, I would not resent being ridden by your gay friend, because that would be part of my service to you. I would carry him to the best of my abilities, and remain humble and obedient no matter how demanding and dominant he gets.

My goal would be to please you, not only when you use me in the ways I enjoy the most. That's how true devotion works.

We are finally in Spring, and the weather will soon be great for outdoor shoulder riding. Perfect timing to start your "stable of devoted carriers"!

checkmateguy:

I  hope  I  didn't say  anything  to  imply  that  straight  men  were invariably dominant  or  gay  men invariably submissive.  Five of  my closest  gay  male  friends are quite  dominant  in  their  relationships  and  one transgender friend  is  dominant to  the  point of recklessness .
My  closest  gay  male  friend has  a stable of submissives and  maintains a degree of  control that  I'm  almost envious  of . I  honestly  don't have the  time  to dominate  that  many people  even if  I  was  inclined  to  do  so.   He is somewhat  wealthy  through an  inheritance   but also has  a  job,  yet I  often  wondered if  he personally pays  for  anything. 

I  do believe that straight men  are  more inclined to be  dominant  and I  also  encounter a rather large  number of  gay  men who  are  submissive, or at least choose a  submissive role.  What the  percentages  are,  the  degrees  and  the  realities are  is  something  I  simply  don't  know.

One factor  I  have encountered involving  heterosexual vs  homosexual  men  is  that some  heterosexual  men can be  very  assertive and  dominant /in  charge  types in  their everyday life  ,  but  submissive  to  women  ,  even  masochistic.  In  contrast, it seems that submissive  gay  men  remain  submissive  , or at least  not  assertive  in  their  non-sexual  relationships   and  dominant gay  men tend to  remain at least  mildly dominant or assertive.
This is of course  just  my  observation,  but I  find it rather  curious.

checkmateguy:

I  agree that  human  sexuality is very  complicated  and  I find  my  own at least as  complicated  as  anything I  observe in  others. 
In  regard  to riding on someone's  shoulders, I  find  myself  confused  by  my own  feelings  if  I allow  myself to  examine  them.

On  my  most recent outings,  the  ones I  described  with  my  friend on  the  carrier  he  loaned  me, I  found  myself  enjoying watching him  ride at least equally  to  being  carried  myself.  I felt  attracted  to him as he  was riding his  carrier quite  dominantly.  Since he is  openly and  exclusively  gay  and our  relationship  is obviously  platonic and  has  always  been, I  was  confused  by  what I  was feeling.  I  was somewhat  troubled  by  the notion  that this feeling  could  change  the  relationship  that  I  have with  him,  a  friendship  I  value.
Fortunately, our  relationship  returned to it's  former state the  next time  we  met  and has remained  that way.  I  realized  that his actions,  dominance and  control of his carrier/servant  was the source of  my attraction  and my  concerns about  my  feelings damaging  our  relationship  faded.

In  observing  various  instances of shoulder  riding , I see it  as  nothing  more  than what the  participants consider it to  be.  It's  often  seen  with  sports heroes,  bull fighters,  cheer leaders  etc.  where  it  most often  isn't enjoyed to  any  degree  by either the carrier or the riding.
At  concerts, it  may  be any combination of  things,  from  implied  sexuality  to celebrating  or   just  a  person  taking  advantage of a good  seat  from  which to  view  the  event.
Once again  ,  it's  just  what  the  people involved  think it is  and what they  put into it.

Of  course  one  might  consider  the  proximity of the rider's  genitalia  to the  carrier's neck and  apply  their own  feelings about  such  a  proximity. But again, it's each person's  perspective.
Any  time  any  person's  sits  upon  anything,  the proximity is the same. I'm  certainly  not  implying anything  sexual  when  sitting on  a  chair,  a  horses saddle  or a  bicycle  seat.  Why consider it  when  sitting on  a person's shoulders  unless  you  are  simply  inclined  to do  so?

Power rush, eh? What about the word 'horny?' Here in England, in Anglo-Saxon times, we (allegedly) invented all the four-letter words. So we do tend to be rather explicit when saying what we say.

Getting on another human being and being in control of them is (for many people) exciting. Whether you're sat astride the person's chest or sat astride their shoulders the sensation of power and control is exciting. That excitement pulsates through your mind and body. That's why people wrestle or ride. Obviously, you have to find a willing partner on whom you can sit or ride (note my impeccable English! We do 'English' quite well in England - LOL!)

Of course, a shoulder-rider like me (and many others maybe) do harbour dark dominant thoughts about how they would like to shoulder-ride a human-pony. What could I get away with, um? Could I shoulder-ride a skinny little person just for the fun and thrill of seeing that person stagger under my weight? Could I shoulder-ride a big muscular guy who, despite his muscular appearance, is really very submissive which means I can shoulder-ride him as hard and as brutally as I like - again just for the fun and thrill of doing that (and getting my togger rock-hard in the process)? 'Togger,' by the way, is an euphemism. Just as the Americans prefer to sat 'ass,' we in England choose to say bluntly and directly 'arse.' This four letter word is delicious to pronounce in an English accent. Particularly when the emphasis is on the beginning of the word with a bold guttural beginning: 'arrrrr...' followed by a hissy '...ssse.' You can really get your tongue around this word and, here in the UK, there is a trend for more and more people to actually get the tips of their tongue around and up the real thing. Shocking but true!

Watching a dominant shoulder rider, as Audreyb did, can be gratifyingly stimulating, i.e. it arouses or stimulates or fires the (sexual) imagination. Just as in a S&M session, if two people come together and one wants to submit and the other wants to dominate, 'sparks' will fly. Participating in such a session, if that's your thing, is great. Watching such a session can be just as enjoyable, again, if that's your thing.

What I'd say about people is that quite a few do have desires and these desires can be rather taboo. But life is short. So go ahead and do what you crave to do (as long as it's legal!)

My advice to Audreyb is get in the saddle and enjoy plenty of rides while you can!

Last edited by checkmateguy (2017-04-01 10:29:18)

Audrey,

I love the concept of "your comfort hinged on the underling's discomfort". But let me ask you: how much of that sadistic excitement do you feel, when riding a man on his shoulders?

Also, you mentioned that you found attractive the view of your friend treating his sub like a beast of burden. How would you feel if you saw the same thing, but you knew that his carrier is someone that you lent to him, who is serving him only as a token of obedience to you?

I love serving a rider who feels superior, because it helps both of us focus on one thing: her enjoyment. I am making myself inferior by definition, as I obey her orders and ensure her comfort through my hard work, turning myself into a beast of burden.

And yes - Audrey - I completely understand why you would feel thoroughly served, seeing your carrier withstand a tough ride beneath your gay friend just in order to serve YOU. I am sure he would also appreciate you returning the favor, after he's lent you his gay carrier. Just let me know when...