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Audreyb wrote:
Wildfiregirl:
Because I have a more assertive or perhaps dominant personality I have to admit to having a personal preference for the concept of male carriers. As I already stated, I don't pursue this activity very often and I prefer deference from men in virtually all aspects of my life. As such, I simply prefer to think of a man in the role of carrier, serving as a beast of burden.
I would be the last person to imply that a woman shouldn't pursue any activity she chooses in whatever role she might choose. Yet my personal prejudice toward seeing a woman being served by a man rather than serving a man very likely effects my view on some subjects.
Also, as I said, I believe I would be inclined to feel more empathy toward the exertion of another woman if I were sitting on her back which would effect my enjoyment of the activity.
I feel very little for a man in the same position and based on my limited experience to date, I feel less empathy for him over time rather than more. I would certainly ride your back or shoulders if the opportunity presented itself and of course you wanted me to. But I can't help my general feeling on the subject.
I have seen videos of men and women using arm stilts as you described. I found the arrangement of supporting the weight on the persons forearms as well as the hands rather interesting.
The most detailed view was rather fetish oriented with a girl rather immodestly attired with her back level and her lower back sagging slightly, which I assumed would be where the rider would be sitting. I can only guess at the practicality of such an arrangement during an actual pony ride with someone sitting on her. Obviously I don't know but while it might be comfortable for the rider, it didn't strike me as very stable.
Your comments are interesting Audreyb. You have a dominant personality if you prefer a man in the role of carrier, and think of him as a beast of burden. You said you would not feel empathy toward the exertion of the carrier if the carrier is a man, and you were sitting on him and feel less empathy for him over time rather than more... interesting...
I thought if for example, I carry you, You would not feel any emphaty for me at the beginning, because we are not friends, but over time maybe.
I probably would feel like a beast or animal during the ride. But if it helps to make the ride more enjoyable for you. Then it is ok.
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Audreyb wrote:
checkmateguy:
I saw several of these people that looked strong enough to carry me . I'm not certain that those I saw could have carried the gentleman who suggested this possibility because he was on the heavy side . I could sympathize with him because he was not very fit and was having trouble keeping up in the heat of the day.
But in regard to the potential carriers, I would see them as I would any of my employees and expect them to perform the task they were hired for. If they accept this employment , any problem they have in performing it is their problem. As you suggested, if he struggles with the burden of my weight (or yours ) it really makes no difference in regard to his difficulty if you were to find some enjoyment or satisfaction in his difficulty. You would weigh the same when sitting on him whether you enjoyed his struggles or felt empathy. My gay friend who I mentioned has expressed similar sentiments (as yours)in regard to shoulder and pony riding on his submissives . His carriers are of course voluntary and endure his use of them of their own accord. I can't see any reason why you shouldn't enjoy every aspect of what you pay for.
My concern at the time was my feet of course but if I found some pleasure in the discomfort my weight was causing my carrier to endure, it really wouldn't matter.
Hi Audreyb
I think You are a nice person, Audreyb. You always answer my comments. I would carry You for free Audreyb. You do not need to pay me money. And you can see me as any of your employees and expect me to perform the task (I said I carry You for free Audreyb, I do not want your money).
I agree what you said: "If they accept this employment, any problem they have in performing it is their problem. As you suggested, if he struggles with the burden of my weight (or yours) it really makes no difference in regard to his difficulty if you were to find some enjoyment or satisfaction in his difficulty."
If I accept the task of carry You, Audreyb, I think I would not have any problem to carry you. If I had, it would be my problem. You must focus only in your ride.
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Audreyb wrote:
brad's shoulders:
I have never considered what an "ideal carrier" would be but in my limited experience I will try . First he would be obedient in all matters , addressing me with respect when he speaks and only speaking when he is spoken to or when necessary to serve his rider.
He would lower himself to a position where I could sit down comfortably on his shoulders and lift me carefully if he is capable. If he isn't strong enough he might sit on something and stand once I have sat on his shoulders . In either case his hands should only touch me to insure my safety when he stands upright. He should hunch his back and keep his head down so that I can sit properly with my bottom supported as much as his shoulder can support it.
He should carry me at the pace that I prefer and as long as his physicality will allow in ensuring that he wouldn't fall beneath me. He should trust that I will know when it's time for him to rest, but I think some hand signal such as tapping my knee would be allowable, assuming it was agreed upon in advance. If it is a fetish for him, to be another's beast of burden, he should never even hint that his desires exceed mine. He must maintain his demeanor as an underling, as if his purpose is exclusively to serve.
Audreyb:
You said you do not ride peple often, but you have the right insticts of a rider. You know what you want of a carrier.
I agree in what you said.
If I carry you, I would be obedient and respectful to you.
And I would never touch you in a way that make you feel bad, I would only touch you to insure your safety (the most important thing in the ride would be your comfort and safety)
I like when you said "He should carry me at the pace that I prefer and as long as his physicality will allow in ensuring that he wouldn't fall beneath me."
If I carry You. I would try to carry you at the pace you wanted and not to fall (because I would not want you get injured)
And it is interesting that you said: "He should trust that I will know when it's time for him to rest"
It means if I carry You, when the time to rest is, would not be my choice. It would be yours. It is really interesting the way you think. I like your comments.
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brad's shoulders:
I hope I'm saying this right and not offending anyone in my views on this subject because that is not my intention .
I see the position of the willing adult rider and carrier as dominant and submissive and for want of a better term, a "bullying" situation, carried out more or less consensually by both parties.
In that satisfaction is achieved by both parties according to their positions and conceptualization ,I see nothing involved as harmful assuming no one is deliberately injured.
In such situation the phrase "cruel to be kind" may very well apply.
Also, a given submissive of any stripe may submit to a master/mistress in performing a task that doesn't specifically appeal to the submissive exclusively to serve the master's desires or amusement. I think that in such cases some dominants may take pleasure from being served by a submissives discomfort. This may have been the case when my friend had his gay misogynistic submissive carrying me. I also had the impression that the man carrying my friend was a willing submissive but not specifically a willing carrier. This impression made my friend's domination of him, sitting on him with such arrogance rather more exciting to witness.
I think I would enjoy having a submissive carrier serving me by carrying my friend or another man entirely out of obedience to my desires.
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Audreyb,Tell me,in the light of your riding expertise,when you mount your carrier,how long is it before you can tell the type of mount that you are on. Willing and submissive,reluctant or just unwilling and mean. How would you cope with the three different types?.
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mastadon777:
I would not apply "expertise" to myself on this subject as I am not an expert and I'm still basically exploring the options and the subject. If I have any expertise at all it's in regard to human behavior and based exclusively on my experiences and my feelings, which I am often in a quagmire in sorting out. However, I will attempt to answer your questions as I am sorting them out concerning my own feelings.
Obviously I can't force anyone to do anything completely against the person's will. A person who submits to my desire would have to be motivated to do so out of his own desire for some aspect of a reward of some kind or his perception of such a reward. In the case of the man who carried me on those two occasions, his reward was to remain in the company of my friend who put him to the task of carrying me. For my part, half way through the first ride and entirely through the second ride, I was semi-indifferent to his feelings at all. He was the carrier and I was the rider and I considered it to be very much the same as one might feel in riding a horse . One doesn't concern themselves about what a horse might want or prefer when you're sitting on him and it doesn't matter if he resents you or would prefer someone else sitting on him. The reward for the horse is that he is given food and shelter of course and the reward for the human carrier is whatever is involved in the relationship that put him into the position as a carrier.
A reluctant carrier , as in someone who chooses to serve you, but not specifically as a carrier is much the same. He would be free to choose to not serve at all and accept the consequences of that choice. I might take his choices and limitations into account but if his desire is to serve me than obviously my desires must supersede his.
A willing carrier who chooses to serve me in this manner would be in the same position but I think I should expect more from him. His motivation to serve in this specific manner implies that I have the right to expect his best efforts in the task. It also implies that his submission to my desires should be as close to absolute as circumstances and his willingness to serve would allow.
As such this is the relationship with the carrier that I may put to the test and task of carrying someone he might prefer not to carry. His submission to the rider would be an extension of his obedience and submission to me and my desires.
I hope that this answers your questions.
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Audrey b:
I remember you saying you seem to witness a thick woman sitting on the shoulders of a thinner man pretty often. Have you noticed anymore encounters like this lately? I'm still dying to carry a woman who is taller than me or weighs more than me, any advice?
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guero:
As I explained, I have no expertise on the subject and my opinions are based on my feelings and experiences regarding dominant and submissive relationships in general.
I have had several plus-sized friends (ladies) who have remarked or expressed a desire to sit or right on a man's shoulders , either as a momentary desire such as saying "I wish someone could lift me like that" upon seeing a girl on a man's shoulders at a concert, or a wistful remark concerning a specific man the lady found attractive.
Some larger ladies are very conscious of their size and weight and wouldn't want to suffer the embarrassment of having a man fail to lift her and some may be quite uncomfortable with being lifted on a man's shoulders out of a fear of falling.
But there are some women like my neighbor who has become quite comfortable with her size, having been exposed to a number of men who are specifically attracted to plus sized women.
She seems to find it rather entertaining to sit on a man who has difficulty with her weight and men who try and fail to lift her.
I also know a few ladies who would be quite indifferent to a man's physical ability or size and simply disdainful of a man who had difficulty with her weight.
My only advice and thoughts on the matter concerning a man who wants to lift or carry a larger woman is that he make her feel comfortable with the idea. Invite her to sit on his lap and perhaps work up to the subject of carrying her piggyback or on all fours. She may be open to either as a momentary amusement. Obviously if the relationship is an intimate one, broaching such subjects is easier. Women like to feel accepted and desired and are much more open to such things when a man makes her feel that she is.
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Audrey,
Just a quick reply to this sentence you posted: "I think I would enjoy having a submissive carrier serving me by carrying my friend or another man entirely out of obedience to my desires."
I would love to be that carrier. Spring is here... Why don't we make it happen? Please email me on bradshoulders@mail.com
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