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Hello all and thanks everyone for all the great postings, pictures & video links over the past few months. I have been laying low, not deliberately but more to do with excessive work committments that never seem to stop. That does not mean I have not been enjoying the group - of course it has been great in here with lots of busy, dedicated people really working hard to ensure things have been successful around here. I put up only a few pictures the other day in the 3/4 high bonus album - I have not come across too much over the past few months, but people in the group here have made my life a lot easier by finding many great pictures.
Summer is winding down quickly again here in Australia with February about to start - many brief bursts of very hot weather and more to come as well. Many days, the smoke from distant bushfires that are still burning in our mountains comes down and covers the city in a very thick shroud of white smoke - some days visibility has been down to a few metres. It has not helped people who enjoy the outdoor lifestyle at all.
On some of the really hot days I visited various swimming pools & beaches, usually with my two nieces in tow - they opted to stay with me for a couple of weeks while on holidays which was great, yet placed much demands on my spare time as well. What can I tell you on the shoulder ride front - not too much unfortunately - we went to my favourite swimming pool (one of the few public ones that used to still allow shoulder rides in the water) and as soon as I put my 11 year old niece on my shoulders in the deep end, I was suddenly set upon by not one but three over-zealous lifeguards furiously blowing their whistles like I had just committed some kind of major crime!! They were even asking dads with toddlers no more than 2 or 3 years old to not put them on their shoulders in the water either. Talk about health & safety regualtions gone mad!! To make matters worse, no cameras are permitted to be taken into most public swimming pools, or on beaches etc these days. You cannot even take pictures in public without some security official approaching you - reminds me of Russia post-World War Two (And my apologies to any Russian members in this group as well) - talk about bureaucracy gone mad - related to terroism paranoia plus the fear of pictures being taken in public being posted on the Internet in some sinister way. This country has become a total nanny state. I need to get out of here and find some place with more liberal laws.
I thought one day that the beach would be a good place to go, and also participate and see some great shoulder riding activities - well I was wrong. I was about to attempt a great 3-high tower with both my nieces in the water, when a beach lifeguard suddenly starts blowing his whistle and shouting as well - no shoulder rides permitted at the beach either. Is it just me, or is this whole world going mad? No simple bits of fun & pleasure to be had anywhere these days.
Too fearful of the safety risks - no wonder most of the population is obese and overweight when we have these kinds of laws. I went home rather disillusioned that day for sure. My nieces assured me everything was alright - they expect such rules to be imposed on their lives these days. I would love to tell them & show them better days when I was a kid and we didn't have such absurd rules governing our lives.
Even at rock concerts held here recently, I witnessed security officials asking guys to take their girlfriends off their shoulders - too afraid of public liability claims I would say if the girl fell of & injured herself.
So we retreated to the confines of my house - unfortunately my backyard swimming pool is now out of use - we have major water shortages as well here in this country and we are not permitted to fill our swimming pools either as of the start of this year. Talk abour infuriating!!
All the best to all & I will return with more postings very soon
Regards
Scotty dl
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Hi Scotty,
good to hear from you! I understand your frustration, it doesn't seem to be easy nowadays for a shoulder riding fan in Australia. ![]()
scottydl wrote:
This country has become a total nanny state. I need to get out of here and find some place with more liberal laws.
How about Europe? Or Brasil? ![]()
I am sure you'll find a solution even in your country, don't give up Scotty!
But on the other hand you are right of course most pool pics at our gallery show private pools or hotel pools rather than puplic swimming pools. I don't think the situation is much different in the United States.
Looking forward to hear from you again soon!
Louie
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Scotty, it was good to hear from you again, although you must be very frustrated by the nanny state syndrome. It's not a lot better here in London - the system is closing in on us too.
If you can't enjoy water sports at least savour the cricket! You can imagine that after the drubbing you guys gave us that topic is no longer major news here now.
Still, we do have water; in fact we can now use our hose pipes again, but as it's mid-winter that is not particularly helpful. Come the summer they will no doubt ban them again thereby restricting pool riding opportunites. Sometimes when I reflect back, I realise that as kids we were really rather lucky. I hope you can at least give your nieces a good shoulder ride or two at home. If not there must be a risk that the pleasure will be lost for ever for them.
All the best
Travers
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In New York City, cameras are not permitted in the public pools. About 10 years ago shoulder rides became banned. The lifeguards will blow their whistles. I spoke with a couple lifeguards last summer and they told me in their training they were told not to allow shoulder rides. They said the reason was liability: younger children would see them, and want to try, and get hurt leading to court cases and damages against the city. I think it's more fear of predators preying on young children. About 10 years ago there were a couple cases of young girls being fondled or touched inappropriately in the pools which made the papers.
Recalling back 10-20 years ago, there used to be plenty of shoulder rides and chicken fights in the larger pools here in New York City, which I participated in and enjoyed a lot!
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I passed by a NYC public pool this weekend. I remembered my post from 2007, and decided to check if shoulder riding was still banned. Yep, it is. I spoke to a friendly police officer, and asked him. He told me yes, that when the police or a lifeguard see it they whistle them down. So sad what the world has come to.
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In Russia no such laws - good or bad - I do not know
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I just did a google search: "pool rules no chicken fights" - and there are dozens of pages listing public pools who have rules which state no chicken fights. Wow. New York is not alone.
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Hi Scotty,
Do You Live In The Main City Area? If You Went To The Suburbs, Would The Same No Chicken Fights Or Shoulderriding Still Apply? Maybe You And Anyone Else That Still Wants To Carry People On Their Shoulders Should Consider Moving To The Countryside And Getting An Acre Of Two And Keeping Your Shoulder Riding Sport To Those Of Us Who Would Enjoy Ridng And Carrying! It's Only A Thought! Were Your Nieces Upset Because Uncle Scotty Couldn't Ride Them Around! We Need To Keep These Young Girls Liking To Ride Shoulders So Our Legacy Can Continue In Years To Come! If We Let Society Dictate This Much At Beaches And Pools, I Am Sure That In The Future Years Shoulder Riding Will Be A Thing Of The Past!!
For The Good Of The Community!
Dick
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Jeff wrote:
So sad what the world has come to.
I agree. Even in my country SR is often banned in pool.
I don't understand why in USA, UK and many other countries people does SR everywhere and here in Italy I don't see anything, except in concert or similar events. I've been following SR passion for many years and I have noticed from pictures or stories that girls (I don't like WOM or MOM) do SR for fun. Here in Italy I guess that F don't consider SR so much...
Maybe I'm talking nonsense ![]()
ciao
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i have had that happen as well in the states. I had a beautiful girlfriend I used to carry from time to time, went to a guarded beach on lake Erie, hoisted her onto my shoulders and the lifeguard started blowing the whistle. I kept carrying her for a while but the freak would not stop blowing the whistle, so i got annoyed and put her down, total buzz kill ruined the beach experience for me. we where never in any danger, I was about twice as heavy as my girlfriend and carried her around up there like she wasnt even up there. dont understand that, never will I just dont get it someone explain it to me why this would be a problem/ dangerous situation. just an example of someone ruining fun because they can...
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I agree with you again, Kit. You were hurting nothing and nobody by bearing tribute to that gal by shoulder carrying her.
That life guard probably stopped you because he was afraid she may fall off your shoulders, get hurt, sue the organization that the life guard was working for, the life guard would get fired, and he would have a hard time finding another job in this tough economy the people of this world live in.
My father said, "People are crazier than anybody." What is so crazy, in my opinion, is that judges would consent to have such a ridiculous lawsuit in their court room or that laws allow for lawsuits on something this ridiculous.
Many skateboard parks have closed down in California and possibly other places due to ridiculous lawsuits.
Ridiculous lawsuits have help to hurt our economy which hurts many other countries' economies given that our country is the biggest customer of many other countries.
In my opinion, some legislators, judges, most of them also attorneys or former attorneys, and attorneys have worked together to create the possibility for these ridiculous lawsuits so they can profit at the expense of the rest of society.
My father also said, Think of somebody besides yourself!" I wish more would.
This would enable you to shoulder carry that gal like a beloved princess in more places with less hassle which is how I too think things should be.
Of course, there will always be selfish special interest people creating the opportunity for ridiculous lawsuits such that this will have to be countered by concerted effort by those concerned with the concerns of all, not just their own.
This will take much work and time. Many of us are already short on time. But, will work we still may lessen ridiculous lawsuits in America.
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namaegaaru wrote:
My father said, "People are crazier than anybody." What is so crazy, in my opinion, is that judges would consent to have such a ridiculous lawsuit in their court room or that laws allow for lawsuits on something this ridiculous.
Is that quote created by your father Sam? That's hilarious! I love it.
I am not sure if the judges are to be blamed in the first place. But I certainly agree about ridiculous laws and lawsuits! It's all about money. If you drink a coffes at Mc Donalds, someone accidentally pushes you from behind while you stand there and the coffee burns your hand you can sue Mc Donalds for the too hot coffee and get maybe some million dollars if you win the case. In my opinion that's not only ridiculous but sick. The proportionality is completely unreal. But that makes every company overcautious because they are afraid of million dollar lawsuits. You said it yourself. And the fun at concerts or pools even beaches is ruined because of such a system. This is crazy indeed. Your dad was right! And unfortunately this seems to be just tipical for the United States.
I am angry if people ruin everything only because they have the power like Kit said altough nobody would be hurt and no one's personal interests would be damaged. I hate that.
At least I have to say as for shoulder rides I can't complain here in Austria (or to my experience neither in Hungary, Svitzerland, Germany). I never had somebody tell me to put down the girl I had on shoulders. The only thing that could happen is that maybe (!) someone could be telling you he or she can't see well behind you in a concert (but even that's rather an exception here) or you will be ordered to get down the ridee at a concert IN CASE you are standing in the range of a swinging camera arm rotating above the crowds heads (which happened to me only once).
Louie
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LOL u are probably right Sam but I think the lifeguard may have been jealous, and that may have had something to do with it...
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Maybe next time the shoulder ridress should tell the jealous lifeguard that just because of that she will continue to ride Kit and be with Kit and do all that with the nasty lifeguard never, "So there!"
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...or to silence the annyoing lifeguard who keeps blowing his whistle she tells him, "Stay cool ok? I'll ride on you afterwards when I am ready with my friend/boyfriend" and then DON'T make it!
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lol funny! guy sure was a tool!
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This is a lament to me. Our litigious society has taken much of the fun out of many activities. I do not how we all managed to survive our childhood, teens, and young adulthood engaging in these "dangerous" pursuits.
Our area is no different than any of yours in that shoulder riding seems to have been banned in every public pool. Our favorite activity has been banished to backyard, hotel, or some other non-public facility.
It was my favorite summer pasttime going to the local pool and being able to participate in and observe many great shoulder rides. I posted a story in this forum a few years ago about my first memory.
For newer members who may not have seen the post and for those who wish to enjoy it again. I will repost.
"I first became aware of the appeal of this fun activity when, at 11 years old, the 14 year old sister of a friend rode me in the pool. I do not know if it was the experience of having a girl on my shoulders, the fact that she was the perpetrator (it was her idea), or the enthusiasm with which she rode me, but I was hooked from that time. It was an intensely pleasurable experience for me and she must have enjoyed it immensely judging from the length of the ride, her laughter, and the way she tightly wrapped her legs around me."
I have numerous other memories that I will share in this forum.
Hope you enjoyed the story and maybe this will stimulate others to share their experiences.
Could I possibly get my bonus membership reinstated?
Lindy
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