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#1 2024-09-30 17:05:13

MissBaron
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Should a carrier be a servant?

Obviously I'm talking about the attitude of the carrier and rider  and certainly not repealing the 13th Amendment.                                         

Each relationship is specific to those involved and  may not  even be seen the same between the carrier and rider.  For example, the  carrier might see  carrying another person on his shoulders  as  simple  exercise   rather than a service  to the rider  while in the same relationship, the rider  might  enjoy the  feeling of  dominance or power in being  carried  and  directing  the person beneath  him or her.    Clearly  the opposite could also be true in carrier/rider relationships with riders  simply submitting to the desire  of the carrier to be  beneath  another person.   

When I witness a  rider/carrier  situation   among  adults  I  tend to  assume  the rider is  the one in charge  based on my own attitude   but what is in the mind of other riders and carriers   and why  they choose their role is a matter of curiosity to me.                                       

I would like  hearing anyone's  perspective on this subject.

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#2 2024-09-30 23:43:24

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

I guess the majority thinks of it as just having some fun in a small circle, or it can be detected as the way of impressing the rider (i’m talking about girls now) and attempt to get acquainted or get some contact or smth.

The 2nd opinion is based on real life.

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#3 2024-10-01 02:37:38

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

DenisP:                         

I agree that for most people it's all about fun even when  the object  for  the carrier might be  to  make contact  or even attempt to  impress  the person sitting on his  shoulders. For example in my teens situations like  chicken fights at the beach, in the water often involved  boys  vying for the attention of the more popular  girls and occasionally  girls hoping to  be  the  desired partner of a  certain boy . Most often this pairing  had very little to do  with   choosing   who  might  win the contest and was more about the riding/carrying aspect.
Even with that said, girls who didn't have boyfriend/partners  would often coerce  a boy into  being her carrier. I was aware of several times  when a girl would be sitting on the shoulders  of a boy who wasn't  physically up to the  challenge as there were a few  heavier girls in our group.  I  noticed that  sometimes one of the larger girls  were more  demanding of the boys carrying them.  Yes, sometimes a boy would play  at  keeping his  rider on his shoulders, playfully refusing to put her down but that was rare  in compared to the rider  enjoying  sitting up  there.     

But there were also  utilitarian aspects that I have witnessed  and participated in .Things like riders basically  using  the carrier  as a seat at an  outdoor concert  or to  carry  her (or him?)  for some purpose  such as  avoiding  wet  ground  or simply out of fatigue .           In those cases  I noticed the rider often being more  demanding and choosing to assert control. The attitude of the rider  seemed to be   assertive  even when the the carrier was  cooperative.

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#4 2024-10-01 07:51:53

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

I think it depends on the chemistry of the people involved. On occasions like chicken fights in a group of people I often witnessed the riders (mostly and especially girls) to excercise some sort of possessive behaviour when riding their boyfriends, on their faces was written "look, this one's under me is mine". Those were often more demanding than riders without a "deeper" connection to the mount. They excercised their dominating position, some in a playful way, some others not so.
Also I could see from the way they weire sitting what went on. Some distributed their weight on the shoulders of their mount to make it easier. Others were sitting more central, putting their weight more on the neck, making it harder for their mount. All sorts of emotions can be seen on the face of a mount and its rider then.

I myself like to be on control when riding. As I'm not a lightweight I know that my mount always needs to be strong to keep me up there so I know it's not easy and I know my fun is of most importance. And I behave that way then. And to close the circle: if I know my mount well I'm usually more demanding than to a complete stranger I just happen to sit on.

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#5 2024-10-01 16:42:21

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

hvyrider:                                                                                                 

Yes it  seems obvious  that the rider should feel some degree of  possession and  control of the person he/she is sitting on.                      Having someone bear your weight  and move at your direction  implies  your  control  and a feeling of ownership . That is  why I mentioned the 13 th.  amendment (US  constitution) because  that  feeling of  control and ownership  is very much like having a slave.                      For a woman rider, the intimate contact  usually isn't an issue  because  we like being carried and sitting on  a  man isn't unusual and in some cases  a matter of practicality  or convenience.  But the  implied   demand of service by the position is also obvious.

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#6 2024-10-02 10:56:26

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

Carrying a rider is, UNFORTUNATELY a short-lived activity, maybe one hour in some exceptional cases, as reported by hvyrider, but usually only a quarter-hour affair ! On the contrary being a servant can be a lifelong 24/7/365 vocation, mainly  a  self-inflicted one if and when "servant" is used as a mere substitute for "slave".  Which is often the case in shoulder-riding activities, which imply, as mentioned by MissBaron, possession and control of the carrier-slave by the rider-owner  ..
Therefore it seems to me that it is the SERVANT who happens to be also a  carrier, not the contrary. Carrying his Mistress/Master being only a part of his daily slavery. And a very special part indeed, as he is reduced during those rides to the mere status of an animal  ... But he will be promoted again to his human status and his menial chores after the ride, if only to provide his riders with all those basic pleasurables amenities that will allow them to relax and recover from the exhaustion of the ride  smile

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#7 2024-10-02 18:13:43

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

equidum:                                 

I agree with most of what you say   with a  few minor additions.
A real slave  , as in one person legally owning  another person would have  no  choice in carrying his master who is sitting on his shoulders. A servant has a  choice even if  the alternative  might be unenviable . A true  slave is simply property  to be used  and disposed of  as  his owner desires.

As such, a  servant  could be  viewed as  less than a slave because he  chose  his role, in this case to be a beast of  burden.  Regardless of his  desires, and even if he enjoys  his  tasks, he put himself  beneath another person.  As for  the  duration of  the ride, for the average  man an hour  would be  beyond  the limits  of most if  the rider   weighed more than  160 lbs. or so. I have  been carried  longer  than an hour   twice,  by  to  different men at different times but one required a rest period  and the other  was motivated by  ego. It almost  killed him LOL.

With all that being said, Imagining  a  world where there was a  facility  for those who  desire  to ride  on the shoulders of a man who  has  no choice but to carry me as long and far as I  want has a  certain appeal . Rather like  you might  rent a  horse  or some other beast of  burden .   The rented  carrier  would be  little more than a  utility  and the rider wouldn't have any  responsibility.

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#8 2024-10-05 16:41:04

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

After my clear opinion a carrier should always be a servant or even better a slave who has to what his wants him to do.
Most carriers are losing after a quite short time their enthusiasm and their will to serve.
So I would not refuse at all using a carrier who is forced to this kind of service.

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#9 2024-10-06 02:45:02

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

Arianeriding:                                                                                            In the past there have been posts  about  places where  men serve  others  as  basically  beasts of  burden as a requirement  and not of  their own desires.  I have  no idea if  those stories are  valid  but  I do  see the carrier in  the majority of  cases  as humbling himself  to serve  beneath   the  rider.  Exhausting yourself  to  serve as beast of  burden or simply an elevated seat at times implies  ones  inferior status to the one her  serves. It doesn't matter if he enjoys   performing this service, is coerced or forced into  it,  or somehow enslaved .

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#10 2024-10-06 09:35:42

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

@Arianeriding

Sie haben tausendmal Recht, schöne, herrische Reiterin !

"Blessed are those who serve You, for theirs is the Hell of slavery .... smile " .... says the 10th Beatitude smile

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#11 2024-10-06 19:47:47

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

equidum;                                                                                                                                 

I won't argue with   what you said   , but  humbling yourself  to  serve as a beast or  burden or living  furniture   of your own volition  implies  not only the superior status of   the one you serve but  obviously  your  inferior status to the  man or woman   you  serve  , even if for a  short duration.

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#12 2024-10-07 12:05:25

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

I totally agree with You, dear MissBaron ! I also believe that such self-humbling is rather easy to asume for a short period, at least for those who have a clear masochistic inclination .. But even for those maso guys, it is awfully hard, close to impossible to asume it on the long term ... The will to be and remain a slave requires two powerful "motors" : Fear and love. Apparently, Your husband had only one : Love. He certainly feared to lose You, but that fear was not an additional motor, but only a variant of his love. If Your pre-nup had threatened him with, say, total irremediable ruin, in case of divorce, maybe he would have really feared such a terrible fate, which would have helped him to perform in all areas according to Your demanding requirements ... Maybe for ever ?... 

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#13 2024-10-07 15:37:17

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

MissBaron

Should a carrier be a servant?

We often see a father carrying his child on his shoulders. Is the father a servant? No!
We also see an uncle carrying his niece or nephew on his shoulders. Is the uncle a servant? No!

Admirer / Groom / Wedding Groom / Husband / Male Lover carrying his Admired / Bride / Wedding Bride / Husband / Lady Lover on his shoulders. Is he a servant? No!

Let us imagine a man carrying another person on his shoulders, and also a human horse being ridden by a rider. Is this man or this horse a servant? Not necessarily, because both have independent wills.

I do not deny the possibility of a servant (employee, laborer, subordinate) carrying his boss on his shoulders, but respecting the contractual conditions and the will (consent) of those involved in the event.

I must mention: attractive secretary can be a rider and she rides on her boss's shoulders (no one is going to say me the boss is a servant).

Thank you very much for your question, it gave me something to think about.

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#14 2024-10-07 22:05:35

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

caballito:

I didn't and don't  imagine or contend that there would be any number of situations where  choice and necessity resulted in one person sitting on another's shoulders. I was once a  high school cheerleader  and  at various times sat on the shoulders of other cheerleader, both  girls and boys. 

I was referring to situation  that are  by  choice, coerced  or forced by some means . There is no  doubt that the person carrying another on his shoulders is  performing a  service to the person sitting on him and is under at least some strain  in this performance. As such  even if it's  voluntary on the part of the carrier, the rider  may  and possibly should feel superior, be in charge and perhaps even enjoy a feeling of superiority for as long as  he/she is sitting on him.

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#15 2024-10-08 06:16:27

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

MissBaron

Our older brothers, the "equine horses", are often referred to as "real horses" by many.
I think "equine horses" and "human horses" are both "real horses".

When you approach an equine horse, once you are close to him you first tame him, whisper sweet words to him, caress his face and neck, scratch his mane, give him air kisses and cluck with your tongue, reassuring him.
Then you put a bit in his mouth, bridle him, saddle him and finally ride him, once on top of him you continue to pet and tame him.
If you sense he is tired/exhausted/struggling/buckled/collapsed:
1. you push him to the limit, or
2. you dismount him and let him rest until he catches his breath, then continue riding him.

Under these premises, the equine horse and the human horse provide services to their riders, and the fact that they provide services turns them into servants.

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#16 2024-10-09 19:00:18

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Re: Should a carrier be a servant?

caballito:   

I agree with everything you said here.  But my point is  simply that  regardless of  the  reasons or the opinion of  the carrier, The rider  is being served  by the efforts of the  person who's shoulders he/she is sitting on and  may, and perhaps should feel in charge  and may  feel superior.   It's certainly not required that the rider see it this way,  but for many of us it's  a common and even a completely acceptable  feeling and enhances  the experience. 

If I'm sitting on a real horse, my burden on the horses back is  quite minimal.
But  it's many times greater sitting on a man's shoulders.
As such he consciously  serves  under strain   and  in some cases  pain  while I sit in relative comfort  , his legs  proving  our  movement   or in some cases  he may be an elevated  seat  such as  at a concert etc.   It really doesn't matter to me if the carrier sees  the position this way.

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